WEBVTT 1 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:19.079 Both of you. Wait, we ready? Let's go. Call a meeting, this is the annual meeting, call the meeting to order Approval of the minutes 16 October 2024. Can you get a motion? So. 2 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:00:19.079 --> 00:00:36.480 So on favor? Close so moved. Ratification of actions taken 24 April of March 25. Anybody remember them? That goes, that's. 3 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:00:36.480 --> 00:00:56.480 Bill, second. Affirmation of board members, are these the new ones? Some that are gone being unfortunately new broader. 4 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:00:56.480 --> 00:01:15.720 And his passing and then Jack Bill Moorehouse and jacquelined. Do we have a new secretary or not? Not yet, not yet. Okay. Okay, so based subject to the changes that we just said, can I get a motion to affirm the board member? 5 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:01:15.720 --> 00:01:34.860 Second. Joe? You just put. Okay. All right, any old business? No, NO NO motion to adjourn. Oh, there's another meeting. Oh good. 6 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:01:34.860 --> 00:01:54.860 Right, yeah, well, that one's gonna be. Yes. Sure. 7 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:01:54.860 --> 00:02:13.020 Call favor. Okay, regular board meeting to order approval of the minutes December 1720 25 s one favor. So moved. Bank updates. 8 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:02:13.020 --> 00:02:34.430 We don't even want to get into it. Yep, we don't even know where we are with the banks right now because we had the loan from deck but now the Dasney grant is going to ash. So we don't need the 1.5. We have the loan from Bank Unique already. 9 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:02:34.430 --> 00:02:59.960 Ready to go, but ash tells us he's gonna pay cash when he closes, so we may not need that. So that's where we are right now. The bank Unique is approved if we need it. That's a good thing. Yeah, but we may not need it. So we'll see when we finally get to the closing. That's it. That's the bank update. Log valley gardence update. Good luck. 10 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:02:59.960 --> 00:03:08.486 That's another one. You want to take it on melody? Their consultant has been taken. Thank you. 11 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:03:08.486 --> 00:03:27.240 Can you hear me? Yep. So Mohawk Valley Gardens contracts were circulated and provided for the Dasney grant for lots one and two, the 1st project, and then upon closing of the 1st project, we moved to 2nd project. 12 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:45.420 As of a week or two ago, we were advised that the Dasney grant is now going to be in the name of MVG and we removed all references to the grant from the contracts at the recommendation at the request of Rob's attorney. 13 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:03:45.420 --> 00:04:05.266 We circulated those for additional comment, and then we received comments back yesterday from Rob about some of the conditions in the contract. So I'm waiting to hear back from George Mirad now as to what he wants to change in the contract. 14 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:04:05.266 --> 00:04:25.890 Yeah. So, so do we anticipate that they would like the contract when it's finalized to be executed prior to our next board meeting? 15 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:04:25.890 --> 00:04:33.633 They are advising they'd like to move to get them executed as soon as possible. 16 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:04:33.633 --> 00:04:44.668 Do we know, do we have sufficient resolution to without waiting till the next board meeting? Yes. Resolution we have is adequate enough for them to sign? 17 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:04:44.668 --> 00:05:12.374 Yes, the board passed the resolution authorizing Vin to negotiate and execute an agreement consultation with the council, so it's you know it's, if there's something that Vin does not feel comfortable about and wants to bring it back to the board, he can but he as long as he's within the more or less the confines of that LOI that the board approved NO additional authorities needed here. 18 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:05:12.374 --> 00:05:21.331 So as history it was 1.5 to us and it was 1.5 to Bob or to. 19 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:05:21.331 --> 00:05:22.491 Right. 20 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:05:22.491 --> 00:05:38.910 Rob, then it was 1.1 to Rob and $400000 and now it's back to a .5 to Rob. So that's why we've been going back and forth here and I think finally we're at 1.5 right guys? It's not gonna change. 21 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:40.933 I, I think that's yeah. 22 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:05:40.933 --> 00:05:48.809 Okay, so that's that's where it stands now, but it's been back and forth for the last couple weeks, been not so. 23 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:05:48.809 --> 00:06:08.039 Yeah, right? 17 building? Well, so on 17, I think have you heard back from son? So so there there's two things in play, I guess there's an idea of the welcome center. 24 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:06:08.039 --> 00:06:25.889 Which was alongside of next to home two, which the DOS when we had a debrief on a grant request from DOS that they didn't, they deemed us ineligible, which they really shouldn't have, but they did, but we went over and gave us the opportunity to talk to them in detail. They loved the idea of the welcome center. 25 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:06:25.889 --> 00:06:45.889 They did say it would be nice to do a little bit of engineering work, you know, take, take that design at least a little bit of ways so that it's a little bit more certainty on the construction and we have a little bit more idea what the design might be and you know but they really would like the the LDC to apply for that welcome center, which we get. 26 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:06:45.889 --> 00:07:12.769 What's the bat which would give the LDC and the public the bathrooms that they need be a space to have a historical we're talking with the DOT about a historic trail from new Northan bridge over and at this welcome center and to get more information on the on the canal system and the harbor at the welcome center, they have an educational space to use to bring students in or whatever to educate them. We're talking about the national store blandmark, you know. 27 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:07:12.769 --> 00:07:29.909 Because it is part of the national park service, so you can bring that you know like that logo and that aspect into the building. Yeah. So we, I think from the consultant team, I think because we have NO momentum with DOS and, you know, it's a little bit easier in the new build for bathrooms and things. 28 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:07:29.909 --> 00:07:45.689 It's in a spot that's less impacted by flood plane, you know, I we I think that's the better idea to probably, you know, probably good idea to go forward with the welcome center try to get state monies to buy to get the welcome center, get the public bathrooms in, and for 17. 29 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:07:45.689 --> 00:08:05.689 I I think you should, you know, I think we agree, but you know perhaps you do a new RFP for a developer but spell out exactly what this board wants, you know, which I think right now is vendor space, maybe in a space for a brewery outpost, maybe. 30 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:08:05.689 --> 00:08:25.079 The space to, you know, also for a spot in there to rent the canoes and kayaks. Maybe, you know, we put an area next to that. Maybe if it's a brewery, there's food trucks, you know, maybe it's seasonal, but we. 31 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:40.799 Kinda have a couple board meetings determine exactly what the board wants and then put that out to see if there's a developer community that would want to get involved in this. What does welcome center you're talking about or in that building, a partial event or No, welcome center would be a new build. 32 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:08:40.799 --> 00:09:00.799 Right next to the entrance road. You come in the right. Right on the right next to home two, that's where the LDC has a property there that can support the welcome center. In a small parking lot. Okay. We put up renderings before, but we can pass those out again. But I think because we got such a good. 33 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:09:00.799 --> 00:09:18.239 To me that I think that's the best shot in near term public bathrooms and it fits in, you know, I think we get some nice partners with DOT. I think we can really tell a really powerful story, you know, what the welcome said. You know, so. 34 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:09:18.239 --> 00:09:35.759 I, I can't you know that's the path I think makes the most sense to me, but again, I mean it's really it's the board's decision, but I think you know there has been interest in 17, but maybe this time if you see if you spell out because I think the thinkings have matured what you really want in there, the board has a better vision. 35 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:09:35.759 --> 00:09:53.009 It and now we have the opportunity to capture that in the RFP so the developer you know responds to LP RFP is gonna do what is gonna do that project that the part of wants to do that's there any thought maybe at the County of Tourism Center? 36 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:09:53.009 --> 00:10:13.009 Wandering into the harbor or maybe in a welcome center on the way in or some kind of collaboration or something possibly occupying space? Yeah, they got the place on the throwaway when you get off. Yeah, they're not in that building. Yeah. 37 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:10:13.009 --> 00:10:47.329 Yeah. But that's not to say there, you know, there could be an opportunity for some kind of collaboration. Yeah, that would be a good idea. Yeah. Bring the county into the project and you know house them in there along with some bathrooms and all that kind of stuff, but it'd be a nice stop on the way in. Yeah. I don't know how we would go about starting that conversation. Yeah, I mean I'm more than happy to bring it up to Sarah Foster Colora. I mean at the very minimum. 38 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:10:47.329 --> 00:11:17.369 Maybe interested in assisting with staffing or, you know, handout materials stuff like that. Yeah. Be there for something like that yeah and Paul and I talked about approaching Fred Math about the 17 building to see if he'd be interested in some kind of, you know, brewery shop type thing that'll draw people down there, but she sees only. 39 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:11:17.369 --> 00:11:33.149 You know, maybe a tavern type thing or something where, you know, I don't know what kind of insurance issues that might cause for us down there, but I don't know what anybody's thoughts about that might be. So we're saying that we would keep the 17 building ourselves? 40 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:11:33.149 --> 00:11:53.149 Well or they could buy it one or the other. They'll generate some revenue for the LDC, right? Yeah, I would think I would prioritize this public project, the welcome center then put out RFP and see if the developer's interested. In 17 and doing the leasehold, doing the vendor spaces, doing. 41 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:11:53.149 --> 00:12:24.679 Or whatever that is, you know, and actually, you know, doing the vision that the board has. Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, but the I thought you just said the Kayak part was gonna be in a new building with the bathrooms. No, NO NO NO. That would be better. The right by the 17 building. Yeah, and I guess you know if there's if private development doesn't want to get involved, then yeah, then I guess we can look, then we can look at it as a public. 42 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:41.519 You know, fitting, you know, public monies again. But I just say, you know, I I did you you can go either way, you can maybe instead of doing an application for the welcome center, you can do an application for 17, but. 43 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:12:41.519 --> 00:13:00.779 It's a little it's a little harder for the public bathrooms in 17 given the height and given the proximity of our water and everything. Yeah, I I think yeah you know I again with the momentum we have on the welcome center might be just good to capture that and move forward and, you know, then allow 17. 44 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:13:00.779 --> 00:13:17.969 You know, NO burning burden the 17, but the public, but you would sell bathroom, but don't burn it for the public bathrooms for the, you know, plaza area and all that for the use of the outdoor space of the harbor. You know, let's 17 be something, you know, let's look at it and have it should be something special, you know. 45 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:13:17.969 --> 00:13:37.969 I know, I I that's you're different ways you can, you can go. We you can you know putting the request for developer you know piece is not hard because we actually have everything together, but we would wanna create to find the vision that you, you know, you really want to see there this time before we were like, are you interested? Right, you know, just kind of put it out. 46 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:13:37.969 --> 00:14:00.899 There but now we're gonna say this is what we envision here. Are you interested, right? And then we could see who responds to it and maybe, maybe the LDC does retain ownership and owners into some type of partnership with that person or that that developer, you know, maybe buys it but we can see if there's interest out there and and at least bringing some private dollars to make that happen and then go for the public dollars on the new building. 47 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:14:00.899 --> 00:14:17.519 Also, I think it makes sense to try to secure funding for a welcome center because if we're successful and ultimately reserves more space in the 1917 building and more spaces more potential for income. Just complicate the building. 48 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:37.439 Yeah, the plumbing and so what's nice, you know, 17 building does have an option. I mean it could be full it could be seasonal or you know if it went full season then you know obviously it's a different buildup obviously, you know, but at least we have that option with 17. We really. 49 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:14:37.439 --> 00:14:55.649 We, but we have the public bathroom should be all seasoned long, right? And we know we can do that in the welcome center, so so it'll be easier but you know you would build, yeah. 17 is 200 ft long, right? Yeah. 50 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:14:55.649 --> 00:15:14.129 By like 3035, but you know It's not that that big just but it could be because it's so long it just, it could be point you know what you're doing there. And it really is just a shell, it's not a great foundation. 51 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:15:14.129 --> 00:15:34.129 Yeah two materials in there Wood and kind of. How big would a welcome center bee that would you envision there that would fit on there that would be? What was there? Three or four? I think we was it like 3500? Yeah 3rd yeah somewhere around probably three to 5000 sq ft, right? 52 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:15:34.129 --> 00:15:56.489 Easy. I would think, right? Yeah, but we've been pretty Department state seems to like those types of grants. I've personally gotten to right in the middle of the lake George both of them have to be in the middle of lake George but but they, you know, they liked the idea. They didn't think that the city controlled the land when we committed last year in the grant. 53 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:15:56.489 --> 00:16:16.489 They did so it was just an I don't know, crossed or something in novemining but anyway, they they do like the idea. But one of the stops? Well, I think I do some design work. I think you should I think a little bit of investment in, you know, conceptual design. 54 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:16:16.489 --> 00:16:46.489 You know, we gotta do the accounting on you know the bath at some point and see what's available, but we you know we we think we can get that done, you know, and then you know for a reasonable cost, so you can say say 30 or 40000 for a conceptual design study that they can you can nail down you know the engineer estimate for the construction, have some nice renderings that can go into the application package, you know, get it get it get it flushed out as far as we can with, with some budget, you know. 55 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:16:46.489 --> 00:17:05.489 And then, and then go for, you know, whatever. Finishing the design and the construction say two and a half whatever we want to ask for the state, you know, to do the, the, the construction and 3000? Yeah. 56 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:17:05.489 --> 00:17:25.489 Yeah the city will have to be the applicant because of the department state, so we'll have to just remember that and so the applications are usually due in July. Which so that's why they gave us this eligibility goal around. We already had done all the paperwork to transfer that person to the city, but then they said leave. 57 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:17:25.489 --> 00:17:39.651 Don't have site control like pretty obvious we have the city has site control now, but so they they Now that's all set, right, Bob? Bob and melody? The city actually holds all the prime and adelains now officially. 58 "Bob Murray/Melanie Marotto" (2056046848) 00:17:39.651 --> 00:17:41.213 Yes, so. 59 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:17:41.213 --> 00:17:44.759 Their problem's gone, ok? So the. 60 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:17:44.759 --> 00:18:04.759 So that parcel where the welcome center would be is now owned by the city and can go under Department of state grant. Do you have to have the county council approve it or can the Mayor anymore, right? For the grants submittal? I don't know if we need a DOS resolution. They used to have to, but I don't know if you. 61 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:22.889 I don't remember, but we try to get a resolution from the council anyways. I think they wouldn't I think they would be positive. We we'd like to show, we like to show municipal support. No, we did, we've done them before, so I'm just as a matter of like just logistics of submitting the grant, it has to be the city because obviously he's not eligible. 62 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:18:22.889 --> 00:18:42.089 Yeah. Well, it'd be great to get going you know at it you know just to get a head start then July will be here before they usually announce the grants in April and they're due in July, so maybe we can coordinate we can we can we should hear before that because. 63 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:18:42.089 --> 00:18:59.369 We just heard about the, this year's round of CFAs in December, right? And I would imagine, you know, the selection cycle, it might be before I mean that that was the typical formal error. Yeah. 64 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:18:59.369 --> 00:19:19.369 So it's possible. We'll pull together a proposal on you know and same with the 17 building, I'll put a proposal. Maybe we could write we could actually write the description of perhaps what you would like to see and then share that with this board and then you can. 65 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:19:19.369 --> 00:19:25.169 You know react to that and we can edit that and then that'll go into the developer RFP. 66 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:19:25.169 --> 00:19:42.509 Stuff, but we'll, we can put, you know, the Chinese menu together and we can get that out before the next meeting so people come ready to. Yep. Yep. Yeah. 67 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:19:42.509 --> 00:19:57.599 Jones Chemical is closed on that yeah? The have the money, I don't think they've I have not heard anything that they moved on. I think we had an update from Stephanie I think Brian's not here, but she sent an email that. 68 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:17.599 I, I think that I think she drafted the PSA it's over it might be over to john's chemical. Maybe you look at a figure, but it's it's just about ready to go over now, yeah. And they got national breadth? No, they continue to be very helpful because we're working with the city. I'm not sure. 69 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:20.729 Mail extension cleaning up to. 70 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:20:20.729 --> 00:20:40.729 A boat launch on the other side of the harbor and then the vestrian bridge over the neck of the harbor. So Canal Corp is paying for the trail part up to the boat launch. So we have to cross their land and so you need permits and use permitting for it whatever but you know for. 71 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:20:40.729 --> 00:21:00.729 I don't know how many years we were trying to get them to really be cooperative, but I think we're they very much are. We talk to them monthly and we're getting these permits with these so we don't anticipate any any limitation that we could maybe share the trail and stuff. Yeah, maybe next next meeting would be good idea. Yeah yeah yeah so there would be an ease. 72 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:21:00.729 --> 00:21:17.009 And and then we have to move a fence onto their property so there's some kind of permit for that. But yeah, they've been cooperating, I guess, you know, we get a roadblock with them, we'll let the board know, but so far, you know, they've been, they've been great on when they're gonna loosen up some land. 73 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:21:17.009 --> 00:21:34.529 Yeah, they just said that how many years do I don't know how to yeah I think we could put some more pressure on him about the space in front of them. 74 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:21:34.529 --> 00:21:54.529 Yeah, as we're buying land, is there a way to kinda winder in there, you know, up to a certain point and if they clean the stuff the city has, we have yeah talking about the MGP or not the MGP, the bound the mountain area? Like we. 75 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:21:54.529 --> 00:22:04.499 It's call it parcel 79 or whatever. Yeah. It's just that yeah, I don't know what kind of cost they want for a long term list and what we can't really do anything with it, but. 76 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:22:04.499 --> 00:22:24.499 But we should start planning, right? I mean we got once we do the welcome center in the 17 building, you know, we're gonna be sitting on our hands. Yeah, NO, you know, maybe it's time to start thinking about what we're gonna do over there for that or if that's even gonna be it going forward. Yeah, I would think you get, yeah, get this boat launched, get the trail system in. 77 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:22:24.499 --> 00:22:32.039 They moved the substation but you know, then it's after substation's moved then that's the question is, can they give us land? 78 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:22:32.039 --> 00:22:50.819 Ahead of their remediate final remediation because the remediation is gonna go on forever. I mean but what they're doing in remediation is dredging portions of the Mohawk and bringing it to their sentiment base and so there's probably a way that they can give up property that doesn't interfere with their operations. So. 79 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:22:50.819 --> 00:23:09.209 I mean they have offered before for, you know, money to kind of master plan that site because there's so many new things now that happened since we started this project that maybe we could reapproach them to look at what, you know, what happens when the trails in the substations moved. 80 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:23:09.209 --> 00:23:26.759 You know what, Jones chemical comes online even though that's not there, but that's all sort of related on that side. So sort of spatially what can we what can happen over on that side so we can talk to them again about that again. And that building in the back, the fellow building is being sold and that's gonna be you. 81 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:46.759 Redone in NO manufacturing space, so we're kind of we're ok here and that's going on a way to meet in the middle here and at least start to move towards that building. Exactly. And then what Paul was referring to, I guess just for kind of newer members, there's we call the triangle piece of property, so if you're looking at the harbor, it's over here. 82 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:23:46.759 --> 00:24:04.649 It's open, there's water in there that that's their sediment basin and their grid is in continuous conversations with DEC and US fish and wildlife on the method and extent of the judging of the Mohawk River. 83 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:24:04.649 --> 00:24:23.279 In the contaminants in the river and they cannot get to any agreement. When we started this project in 2013, they thought five to seven years and they're still not in agreement. But once they reach an agreement, they, when they drive to the river, they need a spot to put it and that's why that triangle area is still open. 84 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:39.179 And will be until they cause they don't have anywhere else to put their sedimentation so can't get the regulators to agree on the methods of excavating the river. So we thought we asked them about it and they don't seem to make any progress. 85 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:24:39.179 --> 00:24:59.179 Yeah capping that and sort of having like an ampathyator on that side of the, you know, on that side of the harbor or at least an open space where you can see, you know, Chris was talking about when you're at the 17 building and looking across the harvard in the west up, you know, just the reverse, you know, vision, you know, a nice view of the holiday and. 86 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:24:59.179 --> 00:25:17.069 But anyway, that's, that's a long way, but you know a lot of people ask about that and the trail is gonna go next to us, we're able to use the land year but that particular area is I don't even know how many years out now it was. 87 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3030342144) 00:25:17.069 --> 00:25:36.899 Okay. All right, we went over the grant, the old new business, nothing. Those are the next meeting dates. Second, on paper. Thanks everybody.