WEBVTT 1 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:17.669 I know she would have cut you off. She was all stop. I didn't. 2 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:00:17.669 --> 00:00:37.461 All right. I got approval minutes 16 July 2025. Absolutely. Okay, second? All favor. I close some little engineering contract increase. We've got that naggles up there. Lisa? 3 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3249329152) 00:00:37.461 --> 00:00:47.217 Yeah, can you I was just turning you up so I can hear you better. Okay, can you guys hear me? Nope. Can you ask your question again? 4 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:00:47.217 --> 00:01:01.397 Number three. The update in the resolution, I think it was a difference of the resolution for EM structural, the slight increase from what was. 5 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3249329152) 00:01:01.397 --> 00:01:14.835 Yeah, is Paul on? I think this is amended because we were waiting on the, the bank situation and the Dasney grant. Is that right Allison? This is this is Paul's sort of piece here. 6 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:01:14.835 --> 00:01:22.470 Yeah, and it basically it was the amount went up $7500 from what was approved in the July. 7 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:01:22.470 --> 00:01:38.490 Meaning, so this resolution is to approve that new total fee resulting in 37 through five. I believe so. I believe so. 8 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:01:38.490 --> 00:01:58.490 If Paul isn't on yet, I. So, that's why she's on it, everybody get a chance to read it if so, gonna get a motion. Okay. 9 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:01:58.490 --> 00:02:20.370 Bank update we have preliminary approval. We're waiting for final approval. I should have it either in this meeting or tomorrow at 09:00, but we're set to go with we should be set to go with the financing grant and the. 10 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:02:20.370 --> 00:02:45.436 Less money to take out. MBT is willing to discount a hundred percent of the interests and we're now talking about maybe a little bit of the principle, so, but they're definitely gonna need all the interest at this point so we're in good shape. Great job. Project updates Lisa. 11 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3249329152) 00:02:45.436 --> 00:02:52.637 Yeah, so now we have Paul and Bob with us just as an FYI. 12 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:02:52.637 --> 00:02:55.139 17 building. 13 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3249329152) 00:02:55.139 --> 00:03:01.176 Yeah, I think Jackie, you were the last one I think to talk with Sal, do you have any update on that? 14 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:03:01.176 --> 00:03:30.720 Now, I need to call him by this week, you know, just as a, as another touch base him to see where we're still. We haven't gotten anything from I think he's in the process yet. Okay. You were pretty informable Andy three to sell, right? Correct. Didn't do anything we asked him to do? 15 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:03:30.720 --> 00:03:45.870 He had a long conversation with him this morning. Okay. When was our last meeting in August? Or when he was here? We haven't had a meeting since then. 16 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:03:45.870 --> 00:04:03.330 Oh yeah, I wasn't here. What happened at that, he told me at that meeting, very upset about that meeting, about comments that were made to him, and he wouldn't be treated. 17 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:04:03.330 --> 00:04:23.330 Way you wouldn't be treated all of that wouldn't be treated the same way. So I don't know what happened. I wasn't here, so I think somebody needs to talk to him. If not, we need to set a deadline that if you don't have this done by say 1 December or whatever, you're done, and we're gonna put it out today. 18 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:04:23.330 --> 00:04:41.969 I mean, I think you know he wants to give me the whole term that while Mary gave him his word ok it was a done deal, all this stuff and I I just think somebody needs to talk to him, and I think us as a board here, we need to come up with something to say. 19 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:04:41.969 --> 00:04:57.209 If you don't have this stuff done by a certain day, we're going in a different direct. We're putting it out there. That's I don't I'm sorry I'm just speaking in my opinion, and I agree with you. And, I mean, I don't know what happened here. I wasn't here in the meeting in July. 20 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:04:57.209 --> 00:05:12.719 He, he went on and on and on and I I only I called him today to say, what's going on? So I had an idea here, I want to hear, did we know what you guys told him? Did he get his stuff and. 21 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:05:12.719 --> 00:05:28.919 He explained to me that he was told that he doesn't need all this other stuff that they're asking for. They didn't ask him for that in the beginning. Nobody said anything to him for two years, and now all of a sudden they want other stuff. 22 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:05:28.919 --> 00:05:45.359 So, my opinion, somebody who's ever in charge of this board should call up and say Sal, this is what every need done. We decide whatever day I think November will be too close and personally, like I told him, Sal rock spent almost. 23 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:05:45.359 --> 00:06:05.359 Quarter of a million dollars doing all this renderings, signed a purchase agreement, you know, well they didn't tell me I had to do that. They needed this, I sent it to them. I don't know all the ins and outs, but I think we should just push it and move on. No much difference between the 1st letter that he provided to us in 2nd letter so. 24 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:06:05.359 --> 00:06:27.779 He did provide a second letter. He did, but again it was from a lawyer just I mean you know told him specifically, you need to get an attorney and have him drop. You, you have the one from Rob in your hand. Got of course. You might have been at the meeting. 25 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:06:27.779 --> 00:06:47.779 Oh, ok. Which is which is nonsense that we're trying to treat you differently than anybody else. Right, you came into the the the dynamic state and said it'd be very proactive, you just sat on your hands. Well, he keeps stating so we gave him good advice. Okay, that's fine. I'm just telling you what. 26 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:06:47.779 --> 00:07:09.149 He's stating that the other administrations guaranteed him he would have, he had a verbal agreement that the building was gonna be his. He didn't have to have this stuff and now they wanted so and I, and I did tell him to go sell. There's probably it's probably different now because there's other people that probably want to bid on it. You know, he the new administration also. 27 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:07:09.149 --> 00:07:27.329 Right. So I think we should just set it up. I mean it would date 1 December. I think 1 November is we're at basically we're in October or a week away from October. If you give him two months if he doesn't have it, then we ain't gonna do nothing before then anyways. 28 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:07:27.329 --> 00:07:47.329 I think you ties or not cut ties, but put it out for, put it out for bids on it and he's gotta do the stuff, then I think we go with it from there, but that's just my opinion. I think he thought we were gonna just always and I've been trying to do that. Yeah. 29 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:07:47.329 --> 00:08:07.259 I'm an architect, do you have a grand? I tossed a couple of grand writers to them. Do you have this? Do you have that or what are you working on? I don't think we said anything wrong to them. I think everything we told him was guidance, right. Listen, you might you're a little off the tracks here. Let's get you back on the tracks. Let's get you going forward. 30 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:08:07.259 --> 00:08:24.509 And, for him to say that, I'm really surprised. I initiated the call. So if I'm wrong in doing that, I want to hear. I initiated the call to him today. He's my friend and I wanted to hear what he had to say. 31 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:08:24.509 --> 00:08:44.509 So I can listen to so we'll get a letter out to him to do 1 December and reasonable to everybody. Right cause anything he does is gonna take a month if he I mean I don't know if he's already starting, it's gonna take a month or so. 32 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:08:44.509 --> 00:08:46.658 Obviously. 33 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:08:46.658 --> 00:08:52.059 The perfect one. 34 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:08:53.171 --> 00:09:00.440 I was just gonna say long with the letter of intent I I think we should ask for some schematic plans, you know. 35 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:09:00.440 --> 00:09:03.376 Who's send me an email what you think I should be asking for it. 36 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:09:03.376 --> 00:09:04.699 Okay I. 37 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:09:04.699 --> 00:09:16.679 And I'll just put on my letter and forward it to him to copy everybody. And for the record since we're on camera, I did talk to Paul again this morning and called him and told him that I called him. So I don't want to open a cane of worms, but. 38 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:36.679 I mean enough's enough cause I keep hearing because yesterday there was a post put and he was very he was upset about it. There was a post put on Facebook by somebody stating this is what it can be. The harvard's dragging their points, dragging her feet, and he tells me he had cause his name was in it, he had nothing that he was upset that this person. 39 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:09:36.679 --> 00:10:09.810 Put that out there because it's a beautiful rendering of different how the buildings would be. And I had to wipe my tongue and not comment on it and say well obviously when the buildings are sold to built, they're gonna look a lot different than the buildings than they have here now, but I don't want to really get involved in all that. That's why I called them because his name is not there. So fortunately, I'm not a person NO matter how many times I support. 40 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:10:09.810 --> 00:10:38.358 I I think the deadline's consistent with I know Bob suggested that a number of months ago and I think it's consistent, what you guys have been talking about for a while setting a deadline. I think it's, it's perfectly reasonable. It gives him enough time and if he wants to do the project, he's got, he can give them time to respond and move on, if not, then release release to the board to do something, you know, to move on and yeah. 41 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:10:38.358 --> 00:10:40.915 Dolls chemical or anything? 42 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:10:40.915 --> 00:10:55.979 Yeah, we gotta, we had him, so Bob and Melanie suggested that it may make sense to take out the LDC as a middle entity in the transition cause the cause the parking lot. 43 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:10:55.979 --> 00:11:11.069 Construction is under a bond, and, it has to be in the city's control before that construction starts. And so you know LDC buys it, it's gotta be transferred to the city. 44 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:11:11.069 --> 00:11:31.069 So Bob suggested maybe take out the LDC as a middle person. We ran that by the mayor last month he was he he thought that was acceptable. We briefed Stephanie Doorgio. What's the intent to. 45 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:11:31.069 --> 00:11:45.170 To move that forward. I'm not quite sure if she's done too much. I think I gotta check back with Stephanie in corporation Council to see where she is. I I haven't heard from her since that. I don't know if Bob if you've heard from her, but what I I haven't. 46 "Bob" (4221984000) 00:11:45.170 --> 00:11:55.636 No, and I I don't suspect she would be following back up with us unless she had a really particular question. We gave her the materials that she needed and haven't heard from her set. 47 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:11:55.636 --> 00:12:00.153 Okay, Brian, anything from, have you heard from Stephanie by any chance or? 48 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:12:00.153 --> 00:12:10.611 She and I had a discussion about it and she just had a few questions, nothing major that was a few weeks ago I think, and I think she's working on it. 49 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:12:10.611 --> 00:12:17.374 Okay, I did that review. 50 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:12:17.374 --> 00:12:38.018 Does that mean the city's gonna pay for it? We're gonna take and reimburse the city for the funds that they have put in two year into NBT and then flip that to the city as a repayment and then they can use that and kind of, you know, just wash their hands with a lot of check. Sorry, I mean. 51 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:12:38.018 --> 00:13:08.261 The LDC was gonna trans was gonna do it like the prom and odd where the city actually supplied some money to the to the LDC and exchange for the prominent odd. So now it's that's not necessary the city, you know, will purchase it, but like you said then there's $90000 in interest, so I guess in the end there's right that the LDC owns the city, so I guess in the end it's a wash anyway, right? So. Yeah. Okay. 52 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:13:08.261 --> 00:13:11.674 National grid? 53 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:13:11.674 --> 00:13:13.077 Okay. 54 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:13:13.077 --> 00:13:28.637 Yeah, we do have some updates there but and I think Allison either brought copies or and or emailed some materials with regard to some of the design work that we're doing around the harbor. 55 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:13:28.637 --> 00:13:30.135 Yeah. 56 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:13:30.135 --> 00:13:32.755 I have those open Paul, if you want me to. 57 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:13:32.755 --> 00:13:37.430 Sure, I don't know. 58 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:13:37.430 --> 00:13:40.155 So I was gonna excuse me. 59 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:13:40.155 --> 00:14:01.049 So yeah, I don't know which one I want to I don't know which you want to start with, but I I initially the boat launch was gonna go in the way going way back now. The boat launch was gonna go in the north northwest corner, right? 60 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:14:01.049 --> 00:14:18.899 I'm sorry. Southwest corner. I'm up on that. Yeah and that there's not enough room in that corner for trailer movement, you know, and, and, and then also interrupted kind of this. 61 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:14:18.899 --> 00:14:38.017 Pedestrian flow we envisioned around the harbor. So the next thing we did is we looked at, we looked at where the Kayak and canoe launches in that parking lot over there. Maybe Lisa, that's the one to show. 62 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:14:38.017 --> 00:14:40.634 Can you see my screen, everybody? 63 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:14:40.634 --> 00:14:42.495 Yeah. 64 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:14:42.495 --> 00:14:43.955 Is a Mac? 65 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:14:43.955 --> 00:14:46.877 Yeah. I just see the area. 66 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:14:46.877 --> 00:14:56.097 Yep. Yeah, I just I I was just so it was gonna be here in this part of the harbor. Right. Okay, so now I have. 67 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:14:56.097 --> 00:15:01.619 And then we, then we went to the 60 car lott basically and said, can we get it? 68 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:15:01.619 --> 00:15:21.329 In over there and that's over again by the kayak, but near but not far from the 1917 building near the Kayak and canoe lunch. Might be good to show that yeah so if you look at this, you look at this. 69 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:15:21.329 --> 00:15:42.096 And you you we as much as it's it would it would work there, but we started to have some serious reservations because if you were and ultimately we're gonna lose like 30 spaces if we were kind of put it in there and the and the reason being, so if you, you drive in there. 70 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:15:42.096 --> 00:15:59.857 Everybody know where we are, here's the 19, here's the here's the bulk head wall, here's the parking lot that's there yeah the this is one of the patels. Here's the holiday in right here. So here's the road coming in. Yep. Yeah. Yep yep ok yeah. 71 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:15:59.857 --> 00:16:32.689 Go ahead. Yeah, so, so, you know, the maneuver would be enter the parking lot, turn right, go to the end of the parking lot, back into the boat launch, drop your boat, come out of the lot with your trailer, go back and we created a lot and it kind of near the retention by retention basin between the whole future hotel there, and that would be your parking lot and boat launch for the trailer and your pickup truck or whatever. But in reality, you know, they can't really. 72 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:16:32.689 --> 00:16:58.841 Maneuver these boats around these cars or you know we don't I don't think we want to trust anybody especially with a couple beers to go in there and maneuver between the, you know, so we thought we can lose maybe four or five spaces, but in reality, the more we thought about it in this in the radius of swinging the the trailer around, we're gonna probably lose that whole side of the parking lot, you know? And just. 73 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:16:58.841 --> 00:17:00.949 The. 74 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:17:00.949 --> 00:17:22.493 The side, you know, we ultimately it's still it's possible, we can do that, we can lose those spaces, we can do this plan, but we started to look at alternates and so we started looking at across the harbor again, but not in that one corner but in the other corner. So, we would keep the access road. 75 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:17:22.493 --> 00:17:26.991 There and we would. 76 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:17:26.991 --> 00:17:54.352 You know, create the boat launch in an area there and and we have it's not the perfect area we gotta switch it's a little bit shifted to the, to the north a little bit more but and ultimately because of a gas line. But anyway, more or less more or less that's where it is. We would keep the axis road and we would bring bring bring people down in that corner where we can have a lot more maneuverability with the trailer and the boat and, and, and such, you know, and have parking there. 77 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:17:54.352 --> 00:17:57.938 That's not across this, but right adjacent to it. 78 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:17:57.938 --> 00:18:05.690 So, we kind of like, we're kind of liking this idea better. There there's, there's a yellow lines I guess. 79 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:18:05.690 --> 00:18:06.737 So that's. 80 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:18:06.737 --> 00:18:21.696 Then you can see we started with national grid. So we we met with national Grid and there was a whole bunch of infrastructure that that we were talking about with them. So we had to start to think about what we were doing with our other with this in particular this launch idea, so. 81 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:18:21.696 --> 00:18:31.152 Yeah, yeah. So we And and so I think we like this better. The downside is, I don't know if, if Rich is there. 82 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:18:31.152 --> 00:18:33.654 He is Rich. Yeah. 83 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:18:33.654 --> 00:18:34.779 Okay. Yeah. 84 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:18:34.779 --> 00:18:52.499 So the the downside is that it's not necessarily downside, but you know, we're, we're gonna need an easement from National grid. We need some, we would need some help, Rich, you know, to Dana's been great. She's the substation project manager. She's aware of this. She's trying to get the gas. 85 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:18:52.499 --> 00:19:23.776 The people and the real estate people in the room with us to talk about it but you know, to make this work we need, we need an easement from national grid. Now, and it might be the time we really start to work a little closer with national Grid anyway on this side and work through issues like this because, you know, there's gonna be more, you know, more work on that side over the next several years and, it might as well get, you know, get the parties working together routinely is probably a good idea anyway. So. 86 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:19:23.776 --> 00:19:34.455 Take the picture as broad as we can at this time, I think it'd be helpful just to get, you know, put put out there on the table what you're thinking and make a plan. 87 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:19:34.455 --> 00:19:37.555 Right? Yep, and that's what we're trying to do, yeah. 88 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:19:37.555 --> 00:19:38.854 What? 89 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:19:38.854 --> 00:19:57.719 And we're trying to get, you know, see if there's a on the gas side, if there's any issues with, you know, passing over that gas line, you know, if we, what we can do to reinforce it, if there is concerns, you know, go through that, go do whatever we need to do from to make sure we protect it the way Nashtra Grid wants to protect it. But this start, you know. 90 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:19:57.719 --> 00:20:17.719 We're working on that easement and everything else and just start working together. I I guess what we, I guess what we want from the board and I we're hoping the mayor might be there today too, but we just want to know what direction you want us to go in, you know, what because you know we spent quite a bit spending a lot of design money on two alternative. 91 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:20:17.719 --> 00:20:33.134 Of now and we kind of stopped and want to say, you know, let's, we need to focus in on one of these two and complete the design. So we want to kind of get, we want to get direction from the board and from the city, you know, where, where, where this, where you want it to be. 92 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:20:33.134 --> 00:21:01.399 Hey Paul? Yeah Councilman beatrics here, I got a question for you. That's a great idea where you want to put that to get it away from parking cause Parkin's at a premium. But my question is since the lock is not working, so we're basically landlock on this boat launch, are you talking like motorboats? Is there a size limit or I mean you're basically, I mean the harbor's beautiful, but it's basically a big plan now. You know, we got we're gonna have motor boa. 93 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:21:01.399 --> 00:21:04.257 Flying all around there? 94 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:21:04.257 --> 00:21:22.189 Well, I think it's up to the city what kind of limitations you want to put on it un until such time the locks open, you know? But the mayor was a big proponent of it. We it felt it actually puts in one idea as it does put pressure on the on canelle. 95 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:21:22.189 --> 00:21:33.490 Corp to get the, to get, you know, whatever the right sized lock in there, resize the lock, get it open. But you know and we've, we can't, it's hard to back up the ship now because. 96 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:21:33.490 --> 00:21:35.134 No I I. 97 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:21:35.134 --> 00:21:37.534 Yeah, NO, I understand because it's all part of the grand. 98 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:21:37.534 --> 00:21:58.396 I need to see a hundred boats trying to launch all of them down there on a 90 spot day and you know or same thing with jetskies. I mean there's, we don't have a lot of room where they can move down there to have all the boats and everything flying around. But again, this is being built for the future, so at some point. Right. 99 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:21:58.396 --> 00:22:11.933 Right, and there'll be limitations on the parking too, so you know if you get there and you have NO place to put your trailer, right? You, you can't go that day whatever you know too, there'll be some capacity limitations just on the parking availability. 100 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:22:11.933 --> 00:22:43.952 I yeah, I think, you know, those are all great points because I think you should probably until the lock is open, maybe you can restrict it to non monorized boats I mean I'm thinking just fishermen getting out there, you know, that's what I'm thinking in the until such time we can fully really open it up, you know. And it might be, you know, for a couple years it could be kind of like we might have to close it for a bit while national Grid is doing some things over there and you know construction periods and then reopen, whatever, but it, this is our chance to get it in. 101 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:22:43.952 --> 00:22:47.217 Yeah, that's a great idea. What is your ETA. 102 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:22:47.217 --> 00:22:53.435 This would all be constructed next construction season next in 26. 103 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:22:53.435 --> 00:23:04.429 That makes sense to me it's away from the traffic, right? People. It's a good idea. Yeah. 104 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:23:04.429 --> 00:23:16.049 Okay. So we're endorsing that idea. Yeah ok hey Brian just probably can you just double check with the mayor so we don't, we're not everybody's on the same page. 105 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:23:16.049 --> 00:23:20.470 Well, we're on the same page. 106 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:23:20.470 --> 00:23:29.858 Okay. You're, you're good? That's where he's thinking. Yeah, absolutely. Okay ok that's great. We'll continue, and Rich will definitely need your help. 107 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:23:29.858 --> 00:23:35.616 Yeah, so Paul i'll get with Dana she's in help nudge. 108 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:23:35.616 --> 00:23:37.696 Okay, thank you. 109 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:23:37.696 --> 00:23:41.814 Anything else on national bread? 110 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:23:41.814 --> 00:23:52.059 I don't think so. That's the biggest thing. Everything else is kind of minor. We're just working through screening the substation and some things other you know little things like that, so. 111 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:23:52.059 --> 00:23:56.695 Asney and Canal Court grants. 112 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:23:56.695 --> 00:24:15.458 The canal Corp so yeah this is part of what is part of the canalt Corp grants. The other aspects we're working on is the, you know, parking lot, which should be a stone parking lot until such time we can pave it and the trail. So all those and the steam Cran restoration. 113 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:24:15.458 --> 00:24:16.590 Yeah. 114 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:24:16.590 --> 00:24:27.719 All those components are being advanced. We were gonna pull, we were gonna advance the steam crestr steam crane restoration ahead of the rest of the work. 115 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:24:27.719 --> 00:24:45.655 But then we got a very dirty specist report on the crane and I don't know. We we now are kind of thinking this has bit everything together, you know, every one, one package and get it, you know, it all start in the spring next year, you know. That's kind of where we're leaning. 116 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:24:45.655 --> 00:24:48.537 Those are the three components of the canal grant. 117 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:24:48.537 --> 00:24:50.980 Yeah. 118 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:24:50.980 --> 00:24:53.299 How bad was the report? 119 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:24:53.299 --> 00:25:26.873 Oh, it's just it's funny cause the three three building had like NO aspectus. It was great, but then we got the steam crane it's all over it. It it'll be it's not it's not a big issue. It's just that we gotta think through like encapsulation versus removal and you know, I gotta get our aspectus people to look at it and determine how they want to abate it, you know. But as far as it slowed it's it gonna slow it down, so trying to get it out ahead of time ahead of the rest of the package just didn't seem to make sense, you know. 120 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:25:26.873 --> 00:25:31.096 What materials in the crane are have as best as? 121 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:25:31.096 --> 00:25:33.078 Oh, I don't. 122 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:25:33.078 --> 00:25:35.356 Are we have some of the pipes are. 123 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:25:35.356 --> 00:26:07.029 Something? Yeah, and it break the pads in there to various pads and I I'll send the report to the group. Yeah, it's, it's it's it's stuff in the mode. Everything's been sitting there for a hundred years. I don't know, whatever, you know, but it'll probably be more of an encapsulation approach, so we spray some of this stuff and and keep it, you know, not actually try to, you know, get in there and remove it, but spray it and encapsulate it, keep it from, you know, being. 124 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:26:07.029 --> 00:26:09.534 Friable, you know. 125 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:26:09.534 --> 00:26:13.012 Throw it into a blue bag and put it at the corner. 126 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:26:13.012 --> 00:26:14.170 Okay. 127 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:26:14.170 --> 00:26:16.311 Yeah. 128 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:26:16.311 --> 00:26:18.456 Yeah. 129 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:26:18.456 --> 00:26:27.318 Do we This off, this subject is what's going on with patel's spike spaces, are they working out there at all or are they getting it started? 130 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:26:27.318 --> 00:27:00.409 The only thing I have not heard from anything from their design team other than their environmental person at CHA conversations with Samantha Miller from CHA, myself and DC project manager. Just talking through making sure that Visions knows how to comply with the site management plan, but, and she's been good, you know, Samantha seems to understand what needs to be done and everything. 131 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:27:00.409 --> 00:27:18.034 But, I have not heard anything else from Brian Blushard or anything about, you know, anything, NO NO geotechnical information, nothing, maybe I shouldn't be. I don't know, but I would have thought I'd heard something but so I don't know where they are in design whatsoever. I don't. 132 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:27:18.034 --> 00:27:23.516 I believe they're also in discussion with coach's department about building permits. 133 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:27:23.516 --> 00:27:28.015 Okay, that's that's positive, yeah. 134 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:27:28.015 --> 00:27:46.720 Again exemption for just one of the properties get started or they haven't just they haven't moved along with. Yeah, so people see. 135 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:57.978 I'm I'm a little concerned that, you know, the th the weatland permit I think runs out in January of 26th so some of the filling had to be done this year in my in my reculation. 136 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:27:59.259 --> 00:28:09.438 And or they'd have to reopen the permit. Well, it's their problem, I guess. But, you know, it's hard to get the the permit to fill those wetlands and now the permit's gonna run out, you know. 137 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:28:09.438 --> 00:28:17.294 But I'll reach out. All right. Anything else? 138 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:28:17.294 --> 00:28:19.997 Am I missing any may we. 139 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:28:19.997 --> 00:28:25.891 I guess the only. 140 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:28:25.891 --> 00:28:30.672 I guess the dancy grant's the only other one. So, so, you know. 141 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:28:30.672 --> 00:28:38.084 Revised engineering contract 1st before you got on, so that's good. 142 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:28:38.084 --> 00:28:43.792 Oh yes yes. Yeah, as far as everything else. 143 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:28:43.792 --> 00:28:47.537 We're waiting on the final approval. 144 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:28:47.537 --> 00:28:57.397 Yeah, we're just waiting, right, the bank commitment letter, then I can send the rest of the documents in. But yeah, as far as design, you know, so that's getting the GDA. 145 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:28:57.397 --> 00:29:29.329 But, as far as design, you know, I think that that that package will go go out similar time frame from the night but I think I'm not, we still have some small hope they can do the ground improvement this fall, but it's it's diminishing because there was some, but I've heard of some changes at the building footprint or structure and they're gonna have to revise some of the, you know, the boundaries relative to the ground improvement and this and that so I'm. 146 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:29:29.329 --> 00:30:02.033 I'm not quite sure we're gonna get that ground improvement work out. So it's probably got that packet that work's probably gonna be done in the spring too. So ground improvement, utility lateral extensions, and then there'll be some level of cleanup in a 33 building. It might be just the, when we do the rest of that work, it could be just filling the basement, it could be gutting the office area, but it'll be very limited work in the 33 under the dancing grant. Yeah. 147 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:30:02.033 --> 00:30:17.819 Questions on any alright that's it. Yeah, so wait, I do have I'm sorry, I thought you were just talking about that. So this is my little. 148 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:30:17.819 --> 00:30:33.971 And I'd like to get a couple answers. I know I've been working with the mayor guys might think I'm crazy, but I go by there. What is a plan down the road for a sign for the harbor? We had her plan on. 149 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:30:33.971 --> 00:30:36.973 Sure there's a budget set aside. 150 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:30:36.973 --> 00:30:47.450 So realistically realistically, your plan for a light and a big like like say in his building or something nice, we're probably a couple years away. 151 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:30:47.450 --> 00:30:56.278 No, it will be, it'll be done during next construction season under the Nipa grant. 152 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:30:56.278 --> 00:31:22.459 And where's that money coming from? The nightmare, the 2 million from the from the Dasney. Okay, because like I talked to Mike and I talked to the mayor and it's very simple, and I know you guys might take on annal and crazy about it. You drive down North Genessee Street right now. You have a beautiful frame that's right there. 153 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:31:22.459 --> 00:31:40.439 Until then, like I know it would make for too big if we do this and they're working on it. Fill that whole board and paint a mirror on there. And so it looks like something until that gets done. You guys are telling me right now I'm gonna be here. 154 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:31:40.439 --> 00:31:56.879 So you're telling me that next year, in the spring, that time we're gonna have a sign up? Yes. You're telling me that, so then it ain't even worth is it worth us doing it's not worth putting two pieces of wood up and have somebody paying it. 155 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:31:56.879 --> 00:32:16.879 Not worth it? No, I mean, who's gonna be going to the canal in the next month or two anyway? Nobody's gonna be going down there during winter. Just be faceful when we don't have it done, then I'm gonna be barking. All right here, ok? I'm saying. 156 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:32:16.879 --> 00:32:40.429 I've been told from certain people send me diagrams. Mike seems to mayor sees it. They all, they all that it would take two days to do, ok? So that we don't have to build anything. You're, you're nailing two pieces of plywood up there that looks better than the welfare sign that's there now. I gotta have dr. Jackson call me every time he gets off the. 157 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:32:40.429 --> 00:33:05.689 Right, saying this is disgusting and then he goes up to the next block where, next to the alleyway and sees that building falling apart. I'm just getting sick of hearing it all the time. So I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm not trying to be an obstructionist. I just want something to look nice. I drove through that Harbor last night with my wife, there was people fishing, enjoying it, and you look through and you got a little welfare sign that says welcome to the harbord. 158 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:33:05.689 --> 00:33:23.192 So I shouldn't probably use that word well it's not a good image. Well, I don't have. 159 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:33:23.192 --> 00:33:34.889 Yeah, I guess one question on that just to cause it might it might Lisa and I can come up with different ways to try to make sure that happens in the front part of that con. 160 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:33:34.889 --> 00:33:35.474 That. 161 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:33:35.474 --> 00:33:37.443 Work. But yeah, you guys think about. 162 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:33:37.443 --> 00:33:45.050 Are you what is the vision? Is it, do you want to sign like the zoo like did or something like that? Yes. 163 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:33:45.050 --> 00:33:49.756 Absolutely. I've mentioned that before and my reference is. 164 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:33:49.756 --> 00:34:22.969 Is that we want something monumental and and the science is monumental. I'm not suggesting that it needs to be that design or that even that material. The only thing I'm is right now you see this is this is what here's my point. Here's my point. So we have this money, but we're discussing what kind of sign it's gonna go back and forth. Why do we have to race when you could just make something look presentable until you could come up with a. 165 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:34:22.969 --> 00:34:26.173 Great plan, ok? That's my argument. 166 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:34:26.173 --> 00:34:38.778 Well the only thing is Joe, we have to, we we have to have this done next construction season anyway because we're under a grant deadlines. It's not like it can. 167 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:34:38.778 --> 00:34:58.012 No Joe, yeah. Your next question is why are we gonna start seeing some designs for this group? I got I had a design that someone sent me to just on that mural quick Are we gonna start seeing a design that's gonna go, you're asking now. What? 168 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:34:58.012 --> 00:35:05.430 So I think I think I think Let's doing the work. 169 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:35:05.430 --> 00:35:20.669 Listen I wasn't supposed to hear the parking until the spring. So Brian, the only reason that I'm saying that my what I'm suggesting. 170 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:35:20.669 --> 00:35:48.949 It's a simple thing to make it look better now. There's two pieces of plywood in a couple gallons. I get it, but it's still money we don't have. And I realize it's not a lot of money, but we don't have a lot of money. What if I buy the applywood? You wait a second. You don't have it, you gotta guide that the city pays the so you wouldn't be paying it. You'd have to go and buy a couple gallons of paint and two sheets of plyingwood. And you want to talk about money we don't have Brian to take care of. 171 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:35:48.949 --> 00:35:51.995 We. 172 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:35:51.995 --> 00:35:55.957 Absolutely. 173 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:35:55.957 --> 00:36:12.411 So, well, you guys are making all great points and Lisa and I need to figure out a way to get run rings to you and we'll we will Approachy for to see if he could do a design to the part of the consideration, but we Lisa will have to start to get. 174 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3842298368) 00:36:12.411 --> 00:36:18.396 Yeah. Okay. So we'll need to get some renderings to you guys that so you can make a decisions, yeah. 175 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:36:18.396 --> 00:36:20.336 So we will do that. 176 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:36:20.336 --> 00:36:25.851 Next time gonna go where the current sign is now right there is where you would put it. 177 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:36:25.851 --> 00:36:35.990 It's a decision we can talk about location too, you know, if that's, that seems to be a good spot, but maybe there's some other ideas. Yeah. 178 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (1105324800) 00:36:35.990 --> 00:37:10.553 What's that? Where else would you put it? No, that's the only. I asked a question. Am I able to ask a question? Yeah, I asked a question. Is it going or that's a great place. It's a great place? Yeah, that's where we're putting. I don't know. Anything else? Oh emotion. 179 "Paul Romano" (4164285952) 00:37:10.553 --> 00:37:13.511 Thank you everyone.