WEBVTT 1 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:00:00.960 --> 00:00:20.160 Which one? Yeah. He does. My father was saying fight next children fight next. Okay, go ahead. All right, now you can call the meeting to order to get approval of minutes 18 June 2025 1 s here. 2 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:00:24.740 --> 00:00:42.100 All favor? Mock Valley Garden letter of intent. Did any everybody get a chance to look at that? I know Bob has gone through it. I had him go through it. Bob you want to? He's on. Both of them are Bob you want to say anything about it? Bob's on. 3 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:00:42.917 --> 00:01:10.196 Yeah hi good afternoon everybody so yeah before you the LOI that Rob has submitted the two it's contemplated that he will take down the property to construct the project, the project's described. Did did every Jack, were you able to put up and hand out what Allison emailed you? 4 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:01:10.596 --> 00:01:15.996 The attachments that Allison sent yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Everybody has it. So. 5 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:01:16.919 --> 00:01:36.799 Yep, so the project consists of two phases, I guess for lack of better term, there's a parcel one project, a parcel two project, and they're described in exhibit A generally in exhibit A and exhibit B So you should understand what's being constructed on the site, what the time frames would be. 6 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:01:37.100 --> 00:01:59.780 The estimated jobs and what you know what the details of the projects would be. Rob's contemplating that the take down of parcel one which is the property adjacent to the 33 building would take place after the harbor Corp expend the $1.5 million in the Dasney Crest grant. 7 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:02:00.080 --> 00:02:31.920 Which you're going to be asked to approve here later on at this meeting and it's, you've discussed it before. It's to make the site infrastructure improvements to make that area ready for new investment. Parcel two which is essentially the 33 building has some infrastructure challenges as well. There is currently this corporation has not been successful in securing any grants or anything for that piece. Th this is set up as kind of give everybody. 8 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:02:32.090 --> 00:02:51.930 You want more chance to try to find some grant money. There's a trigger on 1 February if if NO grant proceeds have been secured the buyer Rob has an opportunity to walk away or decide to to purchase the parce two parcel and proceed with the the project as described on a. 9 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:02:52.170 --> 00:03:17.810 Exhibit B and just in general, this talks about the purchase price, the stand the conditions to closings are our typical ones that we've used with other purchasers of our properties. Sellers buyers agreed to pay for harbor Corps consulting legal architectural any any professional costs incurred related to this. 10 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:03:18.629 --> 00:03:24.109 Contemplated sale, and that's generally it. 11 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:03:25.963 --> 00:03:30.242 Okay, nothing's major changed from what we understand, right, Bob? 12 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:03:33.396 --> 00:04:01.115 Just just really nothing's really changed. It's just the the trying to give a little more clarity with respect to the Dasney grant for parcel one and kinda hold out effort for another grant for parcel two and if, if, if NO one's successful in security granted it's again buyer has the ability to walk or take it down anyway and proceed without the benefit of some some grant to help offset cost. 13 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:04:02.817 --> 00:04:18.657 Any questions spot? Anything? Any questions you have though? Good? No, he doesn't have any questions. He knows how to read this stuff. 14 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:04:19.140 --> 00:04:34.580 There is alright NO questions, can I get a motion? So second. Yeah. He's gonna take that one. 15 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:04:39.897 --> 00:04:46.458 Sure, I can take that one. So this has been talked about for a while. I don't know if Paul's in the room, but there's. 16 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:04:46.803 --> 00:04:49.362 Incorporation an award. 17 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:04:51.374 --> 00:04:59.053 I'll interrupt me if I say anything wrong that corporations received notification from Daddy that it's grant for $1.5 million for. 18 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:04:59.738 --> 00:05:17.538 Infrastructure improvements on parcel one of the property that we just discussed, which is subject of the letter of intent with Rob Ash, Mohawk Valley gardens. This will be the grant proceeds to be received by the Harbor Corps to be expensed on those improvements. 19 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:05:18.629 --> 00:05:35.709 The these so this corporation's applied for and it's being asked to send in some preliminary certifications and other type of agreements prior to being provided with in a future point in time hopefully soon a grant dispersement agreement. So this is anonymous resolution. 20 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:54.798 Pretty much ratifying confirming that the scorporation applied for the grant and authorizing the execution of the certifications and related preliminary documents and ultimately a grant disbursement agreement and to undertake the, and to use the funds for the purposes for which they were applied for. 21 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:05:55.469 --> 00:05:56.469 Okay. 22 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:05:59.559 --> 00:06:12.919 What do you think this work will take? I think we can get out there with this fall if it's you know if it works quick enough, you know, cause it's really the ground improvement. 23 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:06:14.409 --> 00:06:33.489 Specifications are minimal to, you know, it's there's a specialty firm that comes in and does a lot of improvement and if they're available in the fall then you know if we can get right out there. The rest of the work on the public side is some more water sewer work on the Lee street side though, you know, most of the work have been on the harbor ways that. 24 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:06:33.969 --> 00:06:53.968 Somebody street side and then we have it here kind of environmental cleanup of the 33 because we got you know as fastest hyperdermic needles that we got. So some, some interior cleanup demolition type of work inside. 25 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:06:54.109 --> 00:07:13.349 There's all none of that work, you know, it's design work is ongoing, it has been going at risk, so we should be able to get a bit package out, you know, by the late summer, early fall, we'll see, you know, cause I know that MVG wants to start building. 26 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:07:13.999 --> 00:07:33.919 Early spring. Right, so we have to proceed that work. So that's what we're gonna, that's what we're gonna shoot for. Okay. And if we have to be pulled into next year, we'll try to go out as early as possible. We'll try to get work going, you know, very early spring and this is a reimbursable right now as we see the paperwork it's. 27 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:56.519 Hundred percent reimbursable you know so I have a question, so there's a designee grant and a Harbor court grant in two different grants there's a designee grant for the harbor. There's an but that's not related to that building. That's really. 28 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:07:56.739 --> 00:08:18.938 Related to the and some of the other, you know, the machine that's out there cleaning those same yeah they're not related, you know, I mean they're related that they're for us, but they're not related to that site just this one is. And I just have one other question. No other. 29 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:08:21.789 --> 00:08:38.388 So again my concern with you was I'm spending time and money and it's not even acknowledged. So we're gonna talk about the subject. I can address that when we get to that point. Yeah, it's the same thing that we're dealing with the 33 building because it's a building that's going from. 30 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:08:39.599 --> 00:08:59.119 Going to a private entity that's what divorce planning that's limited to kind of money we can get. So we have not got public money for three three buildings just heard same problems with the subdirectoral because I know because I'm saying you mentioned the cleanup of the building and this and that none of this money were mentioning me as far as doing that, so I'm just. 31 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:08:59.518 --> 00:09:19.478 Trying to be on the same page as though I would like to know what is available to me because even though it's not the $20 million project, it's still a project that kind of so you it's never been mentioned out in the public to the public, you know, and it just yeah but I think I think that. 32 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:09:19.809 --> 00:09:35.449 We got two different tracks. Yeah he came to the dance a little bit sooner than than you did. So two years ago, so so so he's tracked in a different he's tracked in a different path in a different timeline anymore, but. 33 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:09:39.339 --> 00:09:56.899 We're still committed in terms of redeveloping the entire carbon. That's right. And if and if you are a, a desirous purchaser, we wanna proceed in the same fashion. So we're not gonna, we're not here to treat somebody differently. 34 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:09:57.679 --> 00:10:17.359 Then then everybody has to be treated uniformly, but he's in a different track because he's been at it for a little bit longer than but in terms of I thought that the two meetings ago, three meetings ago, we highly recommended that Brian's team with you and work with you and afford to the same opportunities as anybody else has, right? 35 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:10:17.599 --> 00:10:37.599 So when I hear things being said they're going on that I haven't heard of yet, I just want to make sure that they're gonna be if they're doing it for one building it for the other. Right, the empire State grant what's eligible, right? I don't want to get it like today's the grants of number, right? 36 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:10:39.339 --> 00:11:00.939 So that same problems we had with the 30 threes we had in 17. Last year we went in for money for both of them basically because they we as the state knew the intention was to sell to the private developer. They said we would rather give grants to the private developer and not the corporate not the only city. Right, so they didn't want to do on a spectrum. 37 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:11:01.518 --> 00:11:20.759 Yes, yeah. And so and so we're, we're at the same point. Nobody's been treated any differently with those buildings and you know yeah even though you might have mispoke yourself, one day you asked me if I didn't get any grant money, would I still be moving forward, right? So Rob's pretty much telling you, if he don't get grant money, he's not gonna move forward. He exercises. 38 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:38.278 Right, right. So that's almost like saying, we don't get in this, that building's gonna sit there, right? But my my point is I was very clearly asked that the committee wanted to know if I would move forward without zero grant money. And I I don't know like. 39 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:11:40.018 --> 00:11:59.858 What value that had to the conversation especially at that point, but I don't want to talk to people I'm not I'm the engineer. I mean, you know, I, I think that's the same thing that they have to make a determination about four months ago, five months ago. So I I just. 40 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:12:00.199 --> 00:12:20.759 Again I just like to I'm trying to be So Let's do this. Let's, let, let us get through these two action items and then you're on the agenda so we can get to all that, ok? So most so moves. 41 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:12:21.409 --> 00:12:40.929 Consulting agreement. Can I handle that Paul while you're on the room? Yeah, so these are, two consultant agreements because the there's a different engineer for the ground improvement portion of the work you know because it's a little different specialty work with regard to the. 42 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:12:41.169 --> 00:13:00.009 Ground and again we have to improve that ground because it's basically that's where the river rent, the soft soils are extremely unusual there they can't build anything there without addressing the ground and and strengthening the ground. So, that work is gonna be bit out by. 43 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:13:00.719 --> 00:13:16.478 It's gonna be designed and bid out by EM structural. Then in the Lee Street area you're referring to? That's in the adjacent to 33 oh yeah behind it or that's where next to it. Yeah. Once you go right into the. 44 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:13:17.509 --> 00:13:32.429 Would go this way. So the way They way they improve the ground is is they augger, they augger down and do a ground mix into the ground. It forms like ground piles and sets, and they had a high density grid. 45 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:47.959 So instead of columns going in under a building, you improve, you improve the whole ground surface in that area using these high density, you know, this density grid of yeah so I believe that one's. 46 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:13:49.709 --> 00:14:09.429 30000 for the professional services agreement. No, are they doing the work or they're just overseeing them. They are Ramble's gonna do the construction oversight for all the work. They are doing, they'll, they'll do the design. 47 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:14:09.589 --> 00:14:28.029 Would be the professional design engineer, they would do all the submittals for you know as the to be enabled construction reviewing everything else and then they'll do some site visits. But the full time inspector will be under the other and these are all covered under the yes, correct. Hundred percent covered under. Yeah. Yeah. 48 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:14:29.189 --> 00:14:48.749 Alright, so that's the 1st one did you want to take notes up in a motion to accept the right? Second, but all in favor? Yeah so move. Next, next one is ramble, for. 49 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:14:49.469 --> 00:15:07.228 This is for the utility work, the water sewer, you know, work off of Lee street. This is for environmental cleanup related to the three three and then what am I missing? 50 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:15:10.328 --> 00:15:23.129 I guess that's everything until you work. Oh, there's some others minor demo last night. The old foundation in the mechanics building are still there so some of that above demo we can work in those areas too. 51 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:15:23.609 --> 00:15:39.968 So it's that and then like you said, we would do all the you know bit face services for that work, and separate construction contract and then all the inspect, all the inspection work so other inspection work for this scope of services, but also overseeing. 52 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:15:40.719 --> 00:15:53.599 A full time inspector for the ground improvement of work, so all the construction phase construction management oversight is in this and that's a hundred and 89880 ok. 53 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:16.399 Fall project for the 1st contracts, 1st contract would be utilities and that demo would, you know. I'm sorry, I gotta mess up. The 1st contract would be ground improvement that fall. The utilities would be right after, you know, maybe, you know, early spring probably. 54 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:16:18.319 --> 00:16:37.799 So we'll see some activity done. Hopefully see some bit through the city, they will be, this will be bit through LDC. So, we'll do it you know online bid like we've done it, we've you know we've been through the LDC before. But the city, you know. 55 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:16:38.389 --> 00:16:51.828 I will make sure the engineering department has concurrent reviews and nothing's everybody's seen everything alright motion to approve the resolution soble, second? 56 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:16:56.789 --> 00:17:13.948 Alright Sally. All right, well I'm just, so I talked to Paul the other day and so like you were just mentioning something about utility and sewer work on the other. 57 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:17:15.779 --> 00:17:30.978 Yeah, well, yeah, right now the like your building, the 17 building has street water sewer. It's a little different situation of these street that has some leave some for that side of that side. 58 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:17:38.238 --> 00:17:51.279 Right, but NO electric and electric this kind of would run from there's run from and again NO there's NO electric in this other development from wells, there's a kind of a. 59 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:17:51.439 --> 00:18:16.958 From Wellsamp to the site, to the site. Yeah I believe a 4 " or 6 " conduit I forget there was two plus a sewer. It looks like there was a conduit, there was a 4 " conduit and I think a 12 " conduit. I think it was published with a water. So we ran a water conduit from the water main to the building because and you know again water authority. 60 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:18:18.038 --> 00:18:34.999 So that that development's more, you know, so since, you know, since you're down the road on design, they're not gonna allow you to run the waterline, so what we did is so we don't have to dig up the road. We, we put a conduit in to run the water lateral through the conduit. So I was told. 61 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:18:35.699 --> 00:18:53.818 That they'll be able to pull the water from the same line that's feeding the fire hydra and the side of the street so I think the waterlines in the street and the you know the the. 62 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:18:58.378 --> 00:19:16.939 So, yeah, I mean I was mentioning to Paul because I was kind of, you know, like different people, they all have a different way of feeling the apple, right? But the big thing for me is having to know exactly what it's gonna cost. 63 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:19:17.778 --> 00:19:33.579 For each item, you know, heating and air conditioning and right down the line. So Dave Menachi and me are gonna work on drawings and from the drawings I would be able to get better numbers, you know, I talked to office and. 64 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:19:34.019 --> 00:19:50.619 You know, they said they would, you know, help me with you know the best thing to get what they could. But then that's for the outside of the building, but the 1st I was told we could put a composite side and then I talked to a different guy. He said, No. 65 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:19:51.329 --> 00:20:11.329 You know, I don't know, they'd like there's just so many things that are just up in the air, right? And I know that once your grants applied for it, you know, you can't go up but you can go down. So Paul I would like to move forward with purchasing the building and in that time working. 66 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:20:11.329 --> 00:20:33.649 On my drawings and get all my numbers that got him. So again this is all, you know, I ask questions guys because when I talked to the beginning, this is like a foreign language, right? I'm not a contractor and you know I just want to know what what's going on. That's how I'm going, you know, any help I could get. 67 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:20:34.509 --> 00:20:54.229 You know, obviously I I need our help. I can get knowledge wise, grant wise, I think our problem is, you know, until we know what the cost of the whole project's gonna be, we can't really look into how do we finance it so you're doing the right things, you got Dave involved. He'll give a, get you a budget of here's what it looks like. Then we can figure out. 68 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:20:54.428 --> 00:21:16.549 Finance it, right? And then, you know, the building, you know, once we figure it, if you're good to go, you know, I don't think we wanna sell your building so you're good to go. You don't want to own it so you're good to go, right? So. No, yeah, I get I mean, I can do a lot of the inside but you know you got the agreement in place so the cheers to work on you know yeah I am. 69 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:21:16.759 --> 00:21:33.199 Like, you know, sooner they get to greenlight I'm aggressive in getting it done because, you know, I would want to give it, you know, I mean it would probably take eight months to a year from the work go to get it done you know we don't have a lot of intent. 70 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:21:40.418 --> 00:21:53.379 So originally you know Pulmonary asked me for a letter and I gave him one and then I just never heard nothing until almost two years later they said it was not what they wanted. So I, you know, if I was told. 71 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:21:53.579 --> 00:22:21.058 Today they got her a week after. I would read that, you know what I'm saying I'm not just getting any feedback, you know, other than what I'm getting from Jackie and Paul but I, you know, I got I don't know we got the letter Jack sent the letter over so just for clarification for my clarification, letter of interest, what does that mean? Just basically he's interested. These are the general scope of, this is the general scope of what I'm looking to do et cetera. 72 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:37.238 But it's not something like you have in your packet here that is listing out specific terms. So let's let's be clear. He does not have a letter of intent, Correct. 73 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:22:37.829 --> 00:23:05.989 That essentially earmarks the property to him under certain terms and conditions. So if Bob Callie comes along tomorrow and provides a letter of intent, that person, Bob Callie, he submits it to you and you accept it, he's out. So a letter of interesting go correct me if i'm wrong, go ahead. I'm listening. 74 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:23:06.201 --> 00:23:33.480 Yeah, so what we did, what sal's referring to is we did a request for expressions of interest, and we did this for the DSA property, the 33 building and the 17 building. And when we did that, the only we're just looking for interest at that time who would be interested in, in developing in this case the 17 building, and Sale responded to that and that's what Jack has referring to and that simply says, this is what I, you know, am. 75 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:23:33.769 --> 00:23:57.249 Interested in doing, I, you know, in, in in general terms, then my colleagues can correct me if i'm wrong, but the Udica Harbor Point Development corporation past the resolution based on that letter of intent request for expressions of interest that fail would be the, would give then the authority to negotiate with fail on the. 76 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:23:57.729 --> 00:24:22.729 Details. So now we're at the detailed stage where, what's the project, what's the payment for the property et cetera. And that event, so that's what you have in front of you for MVG, we had the same thing for DSA one. And then those terms will eventually then get put into the purchase sale agreement. So what responded to, what he's referring to is an initial request for expression to the. 77 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:24:23.157 --> 00:24:33.117 So so are you suggest are you telling me as I say there today, that he is exclusive negotiating rights to the 1917 building? 78 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:24:34.222 --> 00:24:37.382 Correct. So you couldn't come in tomorrow. 79 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:24:37.537 --> 00:24:39.457 Does council, does this council concur with it? 80 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:24:41.978 --> 00:25:01.819 We have a resolution. I, I believe Lisa's right I don't I mean, I don't have it in front of me, but I believe if I think back that the board did authorize and accept the letter of expression of interest for the for the 17 building and I probably authorized Vin to negotiate and execute. 81 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:25:02.059 --> 00:25:21.498 The letter of intent to develop that property. So that this corporation only asks for its board. So Bob, if you send in a letter tomorrow, right, the board would have to, you know, I would suggest the board resolved to you know redact its prior approval of. 82 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:25:23.969 --> 00:25:39.369 Sales project and and authorize the corporation to, you know, negotiate with you for your letter of intent. So the board would have to take some action if if it was going to try to remove sale and and insert someone else. 83 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:25:39.776 --> 00:26:04.497 If that was your question. Yeah, I'm not I'm not trying to, to do that, but I I think what we're trying to what I'm trying to do is is to generate clarity. And so correct me if I'm wrong, it would be who it would be whovesale, to submit a letter of intent with a host of contingencies and terms rather than rely upon a letter of interest. 84 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:26:06.013 --> 00:26:07.734 Correct, yes. I would agree. 85 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:26:08.358 --> 00:26:32.518 So I my suggestion Sal is that's what you should do. But then he said he he gave a letter intent for a letter of interest interests. So give a letter of interest, then they told me to submit a letter of intent, which I believe was the last thing I submitted. I I I think it was in that revised letter of interest. It was missing a lot of the elements, right? But then we sent an attachment. 86 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:26:32.929 --> 00:26:54.409 The things that were I was told were missing. So again if I do something Here's get a clarification you should retain council and your council should talk with Bob and company with regards to finalizing, negotiating, whatever you wanna call it, the terms and conditions of a lemon. 87 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:26:54.729 --> 00:27:14.529 Yeah, and then you're protected by when you go and spend money to the world knowing that you've got true exclusivity you couldn't really even go for a grain right now without I don't think it might have been said you know I didn't do so up until right now, I didn't know what he's received 2nd. 88 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:27:14.729 --> 00:27:33.009 Time was not sufficient. Yeah, I mean, so letter of intent, yeah. Yeah, I mean there's a difference between the letter of interest and letter of intent. So in your packet there, you see that there's an letter of intent. Oh I understand, you know, so it's it's been all when I submitted you know lawyered up and stuff right when I submitted 2nd one. 89 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:27:33.179 --> 00:27:49.499 I don't know term, but again, NO one said nothing to me like this is, you know, this is not exactly what we want. I was told it was missing some elements and then we revised it and sent it and revised. Right, so you know it's. 90 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:27:49.949 --> 00:28:09.029 The letter of intent is going to come again because with some conversation between your attorney and Bob or our Yeah I mean I understand that as you're saying there's a difference. Well we should have told them this a long time ago. Is there a draft letter in this that came. 91 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:28:09.829 --> 00:28:29.349 From you. It doesn't have a lot of the details. Yeah. Well, alright, so what he says or you're gonna get screwed possibly, somebody's gonna come in here with a lot of money and and say listen, I got everything and you're gonna. 92 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:28:29.509 --> 00:28:46.589 You looking the other way, do what what he says or you're gonna get screwed, right? I just NO I know, and they should have told you this already. Well, listen, again, the 1st letter I I thought when I gave mr. Bummery the 1st letter I was under the impression it was good and almost two years went back. 93 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:28:46.949 --> 00:29:05.148 And I was told, well, this really isn't that. So that was the last on time wasn't on me. So then I redid it, sent it back in and they said it was missing something else. We set the last thing it was missing it. Now, if I have to go further, I will, but again, I I didn't know. 94 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:24.798 That it was a letter of interest. Well, was your lawyer telling you that he wrote? Who wrote this, we wrote this stuff. We had Boozweet. Me and my wife had a template that another person that is in the same template that they gave me to do it a bigger project. 95 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:45.099 So they gave me your template to say, here you go, just, you know. So I felt like if it was just not to be the dead horse there if you if you really want this, then obviously you do. Get an attorney getting in front of get your attorney. This is not a huge undertaking, it's not a. 96 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:29:45.499 --> 00:30:10.939 Huge costs and and and proceed to the next step right and I will do that and there was something else you just tell me a letter of that. Oh, and so and then the drawings so yeah but the letter of your drawings come after once once everybody has approved it and you've got exclusive control of the property, then you can go on and spend real money. So is there anybody here that would look at what I sent so far and tell me? 97 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:30:11.549 --> 00:30:29.549 You know, cause I'm gonna give that to a lawyer, right? And I'm gonna say, ok, this is what I gave them, but they needed to be right and he'll and he he or she will understand. We don't know what it's missing. Yeah, correct. Yeah, I mean again what you submitted to us is nowhere near refined as this. We probably should have told you that. 98 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:30:29.849 --> 00:30:49.489 I don't know. I'll probably should have told you that. I mean Paul did he was the one who told me that there was something wrong with it. But like I say from A to B was a long period of time, so I would know for that. We'll get in touch with about five we'll work with you. All right. 99 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:30:52.649 --> 00:31:09.649 The cost becomes the next thing, you know, what do you, what do you what is it gonna cost you to do it and what can we do to help you? Right. I think it's great new working with you really need. Oh I know I'm just I was a little easy about things. Yeah. And I wasn't. 100 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:31:09.969 --> 00:31:39.769 Didn't throw a lot of money around until I knew that this is what everybody wanted, you know, you want to share anything else with it, I mean you talked about construction fast that you're comfortable with to be and maybe a little bit of the use, a little bit more details, anything you want to share with the board cause I think that I just think, you know, here's I mean I know this probably has nothing to do with the board, but you know I bet you do like Paul told me to go out towards that was the park call me park? 101 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:31:40.949 --> 00:31:55.788 So I went out there, same exact building almost, right? But they're not using it for anything really. So for a restaurant, it would have to be insulated, and the doors and windows would have to be in a standard, right? So, as the canal car. 102 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:31:56.179 --> 00:32:14.659 There's like 10 ft by 10 ft bar basically barned doors, right? So I told Bom on one side of the build and we could save them because we don't need all the doors facing the water, They'll have to be replaced with glass panels and you could slide the door over to make make make it look like it's open, right? But. 103 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:32:15.499 --> 00:32:34.499 I I'm just saying, what if the canal park says, No, you can't do that. Who's gonna want a restaurant that they're in a cave? You know what I mean right now there's only little teeny windows, you know, so, that that's just the thing that's scaring me are they sign off before you close? 104 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:32:36.148 --> 00:32:52.308 Right, you're gonna have a lot of contingencies and a lot of sign UPS. Approval, our approval, so there's a there's a series of steps that you're gonna have to go through, so NO one's gonna require you to purchase it. 105 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:32:52.959 --> 00:33:08.478 Until all of your contingencies are satisfied. So, so the windows and doors would be in the letter of design in the design yeah so yeah I wasn't suggesting getting all the details. I just thought. 106 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:22.278 Did you want to take the opportunity now to talk about maybe what your total investment might be in the project dollar wise what your what the kind of restaurant use you're thinking about so so it's probably gonna be like $2 million again. 107 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:43.759 I, I talked to Fema you know they said because the building's a couple inches short of sea level, right? Actual footwise it's where it needed to be above sea level is shorter, couple, couple feet. The finished floor the finished floor elevation of the building is four o. 108 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:33:45.999 --> 00:34:09.159 And that so that's from C level, but from the ground, it's almost 6 ft off the groundability. Yeah but I'm not even gonna look at it from that. Right, NO, I understand what I'm saying. So yeah, you know, there'll be something else that would be you know probably really important, right? Because the architect's gonna have to work through. 109 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:34:09.978 --> 00:34:29.739 A flood plane variance with you with the department state, you know, and you know, those are all things you know yeah I just didn't know. What kind of restaurant are you gonna sit down it would be yeah it would be you know a restaurant being group facility I mean it's a big building, it's. 110 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:34:29.978 --> 00:34:50.898 Thousand square feet. So, yeah, it's the same thing dining that you have out there. I don't think you see that what's down there as families? Yeah I mean I don't really think fine dining is gonna be a hit in the canal because, you know, there's a very slect few people that eat fine banding and that's why most fine banding restaurants. 111 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:34:51.469 --> 00:35:08.189 Are 50 to a hundred seats because they're not a huge call for it. But casual dining family or not the dining is how you're gonna, you know, you're having all these events and whatever down there, people want to be able to feel comfortable that they're going to the Harbord and they can come in and eat, so. 112 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:35:09.588 --> 00:35:26.829 Pretty much wanting to play the crowd, right? I mean, and your intent is to use the entire space for that yes yeah I mean the space gets detailed quickly from kitchen, so yes. 113 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:35:27.569 --> 00:35:43.929 Yeah, I would like to mention one other thing I did mention to Paul and I think Jack. So I went to both of the events that I had down there and there were 1st one was successful and 2nd one was over the top 3 July, was insane. 114 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:35:44.829 --> 00:36:01.189 So, the police ended up blocking both entrances off because people were oh sorry people were coming in with you know they're entering from wells and they're in from their Starbucks and it just got off ingested, right? So I, I really think. 115 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:36:01.829 --> 00:36:19.629 That they're gonna have to make that one way. And the parking was a nightmare, they were in the amonogos, they were in my place, how they had all the hotels, it was, you know, the ice cream place, everyone was their parking was consumed with the people. They would to me, I'm just making a strong suggestion cause I would think. 116 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:36:20.399 --> 00:36:34.878 That the board would want everyone to be successful that goes down there, right? So I I would say it's not a very wide screen for two lane traffic to begin with, but I would suggest making one way and offering on screen parking. 117 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:36:35.339 --> 00:36:50.739 Because now you're gonna fit a lot more cars down there and the flow would be a lot better with everybody going one way in one way and out the other. I mean it was a night way wouldn't work at Wells. Yeah, one way it wouldn't work at Wells. Yeah, it was that. 118 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:36:51.269 --> 00:37:11.149 Yeah it actually will you couldn't you couldn't yeah you know what I mean you're not when you see events like this before really everything's done, you know, before we have an event parking lot everything else I mean you know it's really not a good test and it's really not a good indication of how will traffic flow. 119 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:37:11.149 --> 00:37:33.588 Will be in the future or something like that. It'll be managed differently or we have a big event, we'll have an those things will be managed different and and you know the purpose of the narrow street, I mean it's kind of a park setting. You're driving into a park setting the narrow street slows traffic down and we didn't want all this was talked about, you know, we didn't want street parking and all that. 120 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:37:35.199 --> 00:38:04.759 I think that's a huge mistake, but you know because people don't want to walk. So, you know, you have an event. People want to park, you know, as close to they could as where they're going that's human nature over. Well we're gonna we're gonna have additional parking but on the other side way on the other side of the harbor, that's not really here to do people any good that are but that's where the available space Is that's where the available space. Yeah, you have available spaces. 121 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:38:05.059 --> 00:38:21.219 Yeah. What does that mean? I'm saying the available space out the street, that's. And there's also a street there that could be made one way, and there's also when you pull into the harbord to the right between the street and the home too, there's a lot better that you're probably utilizing the parking. 122 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:38:23.669 --> 00:38:41.990 To being determined. But I think it's a very important factor because, you know, if people can't get there, you can't be successful, right? I mean, that's just, you know, user looking at how something's gonna look or you're gonna say, ok, we're given this 200 parking spots a half a mile away or quarter of a mile away. 123 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:38:42.520 --> 00:38:57.039 That's really not gonna do anybody anytime, you know, it just doesn't, you know, I mean they're all gonna go again they're gonna go to the businesses around there are closer than the line, you know, so I'm just human nature. 124 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:38:59.040 --> 00:39:16.040 It's a different setting, you know, a restaurant in that space, it's like the restaurant whatever inside the park, you know, it's not they can't think of it as you know, Genesis. I'm saying for when he's doing this. 125 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:39:16.460 --> 00:39:42.819 Yeah, he's got, yeah, he's got a benefit of the cookies lot, right? He owns that too. Yeah. But yeah, ok. Anything else on your For the restaurant in particular, you're gonna hook up with your attorney, work with Dave, try to hit along with suggest that you get some type of a grant writer for some of these things that are gonna be coming up. Okay. So anything else? Yeah. 126 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:39:43.565 --> 00:40:11.205 Yeah, mr. Chairman this is Bob Marie just Sal if you got some really good legal advice from Bob Bob and Jack today you you you should re retain council, right? Your council should be experienced with economic development or commercial real estate, you know, please just don't use any old council. This, this is not a regular piece of real property. 127 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:40:13.349 --> 00:40:28.150 Lisa can send you the link. I'm sure this property has an extensive number of old documents and reports and restrictions on it and there's a whole database, you would have looked at it when you submitted your. 128 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:48.760 A letter of interest four years ago, your lawyer is going to want to look at that. That will impact how you draft your letter of intent. It sounds like you have a parking challenge you're concerned about. You might want to put that issue, weave it into your letter of consent as well. You can have your council call me or my partner. 129 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:40:48.920 --> 00:41:11.920 For Melanie Morado and we can talk you through it. The letter of intent drafts that you see before you today, you know, they're not cookie cutter. Each deal is a little bit different. So you can't just, you know, weight out names and project descriptions and you don't, you wouldn't want to do that anyway. So. 130 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:41:11.900 --> 00:41:31.740 You should retain council the the you know this this board has a lot of passion obviously about this project and you you too with with the city of Eudica and and this corporation wants to do it in the right way and and to to the chairman's point if if there's gaps in your project, this corporation has been successful in the past and, and trying to help. 131 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:41:32.180 --> 00:41:59.860 Fun gaps, so sometimes more successful than other times, but a well crafted letter of intent will help you and this corporation can, can, can put you in a good position to, you know, maybe it can help you as as well and I would suggest doing it, you know, sooner rather than later, you know, but it's bringing up a great point, you're a little vulnerable here. If you're spending money, you have NO agreement with with this corporation. So Melanie and I can help if you have her phone number. 132 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:42:00.060 --> 00:42:30.900 1st you should again retain a capable counsel who's used to doing challenged real property transactions, not just an attorney who does purchasing sales for residential real estate, this is gonna be beyond the skills of that type of lawyer. And I think if you have that lawyer, and Lisa and Paul, correct me if i'm wrong, I think we have a share link we can send. I know we we've done it with other folks that has links to all of the documents that impact. 133 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:42:32.121 --> 00:42:36.042 Yeah, well we would if you if you get counsel we can, yeah, share share information. 134 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:42:36.376 --> 00:43:06.455 Yep, absolutely. I don't think they would anybody. Yeah, I don't think you know. Okay, with that, thank you very much. Thanks. Okay, project updates, anything? 135 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:43:08.399 --> 00:43:09.320 Anything on Jones? 136 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:43:12.754 --> 00:43:12.833 No. 137 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:43:15.313 --> 00:43:15.912 We're starting to. 138 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:43:17.655 --> 00:43:18.216 Go ahead Paul. 139 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:43:19.255 --> 00:43:45.256 Well, you were just getting I don't know how you come in with that audit. That's that's what the EST is ready to pay us Friday. Okay. He's, he has, he has a prior appointment for tomorrow. So, but I haven't purposely called because I know that's the 1st and and I I do need to talk to them about the remediation system and stuff and see where they are, but I've been kind of delays you know because I just don't want it. That's so good anything there? 140 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:43:47.790 --> 00:44:16.789 We've just been meeting every month we're mostly talking, we talked a little bit about the trail system that we might, you know, we may or may not need an easement trying to design it so we don't, you know, so they know that they might need to talk to us about easement. And other than that, we've been mostly focusing on, you know, the visual, you know, the visual screening of the substation and yeah that's one thing Lisa, right? We, we. 141 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:44:16.957 --> 00:44:19.876 At one point we talked about trying to get grant for that because. 142 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:44:20.038 --> 00:44:39.638 Is, you know, they have said before they don't know how much they could spend on that, you know, if it's for the benefit, you know, if it's a special request, I guess, you know, that's something they would normally do is design a real a nice visual screening to screen the substation for the heights we want, you know. 143 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:44:40.170 --> 00:45:09.010 So they they are wondering if, you know, at some point city and LDC can find a way to pitch in for that visual stream of the substation. Yeah, I talked to Rick on the way of last meeting and he said he'd be willing to cause I'm wondering if we can get him to start cleaning up kind of we can fill him behind them and he said he'd be glad to schedule a meeting like that to talk about, you know, the environmental people have been on the line every, every. 144 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:45:09.217 --> 00:45:12.697 Big meeting that was interesting. And that reminds me that they. 145 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:45:12.876 --> 00:45:31.956 They keep saying DC doesn't, they haven't heard from DC. They're in the middle of a battle on top of tredging and all this and then DC went cold. The DC project manager, you know, retired and nothing happened. The new and now I remember now the new project manager called me Friday last week. 146 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:45:32.790 --> 00:45:47.630 From DEC and as he said he's restarting looking at all these documents. He wanted to catch up with us on the site management plan, getting that wanted to know what's going on with that, the developer and all that. 147 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:45:48.150 --> 00:46:02.789 But he did say he's gonna be reengaging national grid discussions, so that would be really good because that would, you know, we need, we need really the state to accelerate the remainder of the cleanup. So if he's got a meeting with him that maybe I can come to. 148 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:46:03.769 --> 00:46:19.369 See if we can get them to kinda clean up in front of us so we can come in behind them and start that side of the hardware now, I don't know what's gonna happen with Sal, but if we can get the 33 building straight for Rob who's kind of got that part of the hardware not finished, but. 149 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:46:21.340 --> 00:46:37.940 Yeah. The good thing with national grid, it's really it's really about it's all down the judging. And the site, the areas of the site they need is where they want to bring judge materials. So they're not it's not like they're pretty well done with the soil cleanup. They gotta investigate. 150 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:46:38.570 --> 00:46:55.450 Where the old substation is after they move it a little bit but the land, you know, remediation is pretty well done. It's the it's the sentiment in the that's the that's the way you can maybe talk about bringing up some of that land if it's already cleaned up. Yeah. 151 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:46:56.130 --> 00:47:11.530 Yeah, it'd be nice to tell the community that now we're starting that side and yeah keep the momentum yeah we talked about Canal Corp for. 152 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:47:11.740 --> 00:47:26.580 Yeah, so, we are, you know, everything is signed, the GDA was signed. We city signed the con consultant agreements, and so we you know waiting for some survey, but we're. 153 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:47:27.330 --> 00:47:44.810 Most of the survey we need is for the trails, so trails haven't been really in design yet, but we've been spending the time mostly. So everything, you know, so that, that works moving can we get some of the five projects here? Yeah. 154 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:47:45.629 --> 00:48:03.870 Well, the initial idea was the bundle model in different great schedules, but I mean I suppose you know we can look at breaking them out and doing separate bits, you know? I can consider that but we can probably do that. Yeah I mean, I mean they're all yeah a different project, you're not gonna have the same. 155 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:48:04.330 --> 00:48:19.969 Yeah. No, you would probably hire specialty subs for some of them, but we could, you know, if you felt like, you know, we wanted to spin out the boat launch exhibit or whatever and get those done and even if we could do that. 156 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:48:20.190 --> 00:48:40.030 Yeah, that would be the boat launch, there seems to be activity done. Yeah, we did decide on the boat launch we did look at, we're just looking at this with the EDR but because where we were planning for it on that other side really interrupts with the flow of the trail because we gonna have trailer trucks coming in here dropping up boats and we want instead of having. 157 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:48:40.270 --> 00:49:04.950 A ice isolated trail area that reached the pedestrian bridge. Now you you're dealing with people dropping off boats and safety of that. So we kind of feel like the boat launch now is better over by a 60 car lot near the kind of canoe launch but you know in that quarter where it looks like there was a boat launch watch. Yeah, it looks like we'll it'll be a little bit further up little bit just up from that, but right around there yes. Yes. 158 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:49:05.330 --> 00:49:22.410 And we would modify that lot a little bit so we have could have trailer, you know, pick up and trailer parking there and and then then then that won't interfere because the trail actually comes around that and yeah, you would actually be you're actually the trails on. 159 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:49:22.830 --> 00:49:37.990 What you want to say the north side of that parking lot around, so when you're in that parking lot you you had the bold watch there, you're not crossing the trail. So that's, that's the really nice part about it. So, so that's I think that's where you want to relocate it, so. 160 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:57.280 So you think it would be really that would be really nice. Yeah yeah yeah Is there something in there that says don't keep the fish? The way you put something I mean that that common sense. Right. 161 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:50:00.200 --> 00:50:21.440 Well don't understand. Don't you think we should put some signs up there says that you know we should probably not eat the fish. We can we can talk to DC about, you know, I mean because those God forbidden any stuff in there three headed don't forget that they glow in the dark. I mean, I wouldn't eat it. 162 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:50:21.930 --> 00:50:41.930 But you have some people that just don't know, don't understand. Right, so we should piece put something in there and you know yeah there's some of these good Republicans in there that you know yeah I mean we're gonna but the whole trail network we're gonna we're gonna have some wildlife cyc. 163 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:50:42.370 --> 00:51:07.890 Typical birds and fish that are in there but and we're gonna be talking to DC so you know we'll, if we'll talk to DC about should we have, you know, please don't You don't hear roadanne's living in there, so I don't know If we got. That knows. 164 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:51:12.030 --> 00:51:31.149 Nothing else can I get a option for sure. Whoa, whoa, wait wait. Sorry. I can't make by the way, I can't make the 20th. Yeah, it's not it so Ash MBG called Ash called about. So they want, they envision going for their building permit before they. 165 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:51:32.649 --> 00:51:46.569 Close on the property. We're gonna go at some point go through site design and then, you know, building permit. They think that'll probably happen before they have control of the site, which means. 166 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:51:47.310 --> 00:52:07.310 And and it's important to him because he's they're all worried about the legislation, the government I think this is that anyway, the gas legislation where if you have a building permit, then they can't touch you as far as you know gas supply, but if you you know don't, then, you know, might be forced to all electric and all that. So he. 167 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:52:07.310 --> 00:52:29.270 He's really hot to get this building permit. But but anyway, if that happens that way, and I talked to Dan Koza, they would need permission from the LDC to, you know, to go for the building permit while the lands in the ldc's ownership. I don't see an issue but I don't I don't know about I didn't have a chance to talk to you about it, but. 168 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:52:30.150 --> 00:52:47.470 But that was the request that if they can get a letter from Vin saying that the, you know, that they have MVG has permission to seek a building permit ahead of the sale, then, then, then they can get, you know, they can go forward and get the permit, you know. 169 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:52:49.410 --> 00:53:09.410 So that's gonna be platform. It has to be subsequent to many so I don't know what I don't know what their schedule looks like. These things that that'll happen that way. Bob, if you could research that, let us know. That'd be. 170 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:53:09.450 --> 00:53:16.769 Great. Do you need a resolution I don't know what you need. Right I don't have. 171 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:53:16.754 --> 00:53:21.754 I don't know. I don't seen how this comes up into the next meeting of the board, but. 172 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:53:22.279 --> 00:53:30.720 Yeah. Do you think he would want that by because we were gonna ask if we needed the August meeting. Do you think he'd want that by August? So we would need a. 173 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:53:30.997 --> 00:53:38.117 Meeting with the LDC in August. He not only called me, then he texted me, so apparently he thinks this is really important. I don't. 174 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:53:38.695 --> 00:53:45.135 I guess we could let you know then we can work out the details with Bob and Melanie. Can you make a. 175 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:53:46.884 --> 00:53:56.524 Subject to council's program approval state assignment or something. Because I think that would. 176 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:53:58.292 --> 00:54:01.011 I think that would be the only action we would need, so that's a good idea. 177 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:54:01.195 --> 00:54:16.315 Yeah, so, let's put that motion out there now. Let's take the motion that's subject to council's approval that allowing a building permit to be secured. 178 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:54:17.470 --> 00:54:36.830 Prior to ownership being conveyed or cost of $50000. That's, that's after it's gone throughout he can just get the City's not gonna issue anything until. 179 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:54:46.549 --> 00:54:57.269 Alright, second, second, all fair? Both. I like that. 180 "Lisa Nagle, EDR" (3818432000) 00:54:59.436 --> 00:55:02.157 So I guess then I don't know if we need the August meeting. 181 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:55:06.137 --> 00:55:11.338 Second thank you all. Bye everybody. Thank. 182 "7162****90" (4086867456) 00:55:12.537 --> 00:55:13.017 And they're gonna. 183 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (3898139904) 00:55:13.864 --> 00:55:15.584 Yeah I will make it August 20.