WEBVTT 1 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:00:00.799 --> 00:00:14.839 Because if you go down there man, people are using Joe was saying the harbor. Yeah. Like immediate. Also called today was like, how do I invest in the harbor? 2 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:00:17.619 --> 00:00:31.939 I met with him on Tuesday because he was like, how do I just called me a couple yeah like we have people have to be held hostage like we Well so yeah well that's the question of where are we? 17. 3 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:00:33.100 --> 00:00:52.020 Well I agree. I think the next step here is to figure out what are the next parcels that could be subdivided now, figure out how useful they could be. And now that there's a ton of interest, our RFPs will actually get responsive. Yep, right? Yeah. 4 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:00:52.500 --> 00:01:18.180 Yeah. Yeah what I mean? I think he's gonna solve every townhouse as he opening. Oh yeah, like where the townhouse is gonna be. No, people were like so if we had a kayak, can we lived at the townhouse? Can we just use the kayak? I'm like. Yeah, people were begging for him. Yeah, they want to see him, so very cool, very cool. So thank you. And now you guys have like a whole new future here. 5 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:01:21.155 --> 00:01:23.355 Thanks to the city staff that. 6 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:01:24.701 --> 00:01:51.061 I thought those flip flops were were a huge hit, I thought. Everybody was sweating. We look over their casual flip flops sunglasses man, you were, you were you were mr. GQ on that. Everybody come in soon today? Like sure. 7 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:01:52.650 --> 00:02:10.050 Like if we were doing the grand opening of like not ready, but if we could get that boat launch in next year, we're gonna do the ribbon cutting in like July and we're gonna have the snocky launched and I'm gonna water scan the harper for everybody the instrument lot here. 8 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:02:17.590 --> 00:02:39.669 More likely I'll be holding a beer with one hand and had to. No, yeah. Take that. I walked it, I walked away from that, that event, sweating my *** an envious of the mayor. Yeah. 9 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:02:45.950 --> 00:02:58.750 There was there was a little breeze but just like breeze, I left not long after this walking around. It was awesome. Although we shouldn't complain. No, we're actually. 10 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:03:00.550 --> 00:03:29.990 Freezing in the morning when I went for a walk this morning? Right? I mean, it came in wow. Yeah. Alright, let's get going. Call meeting to order and get them ocean to approve the minutes of 16 April 2025. Ocean motion. So all in favor? So moved. Consulting agreements, did everybody get a chance to look at Paul, you wanna go through the consulting agreement. 11 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:03:30.759 --> 00:03:51.239 Yeah, yeah, sure. The, there's, there's two the let me do the I guess the more complicated one 1st. So the the 1st one, I'm not sure if it's 1st in your pile, but EM structural, they are currently serving as a structural engineer for MVG for the new building. 12 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:03:52.140 --> 00:04:09.100 And, you know, the Dasney grant that that these agreements are tied to as far as funding, has ground improvement underneath that new building. So we're doing. 13 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:04:09.730 --> 00:04:29.650 There's gonna be grounded columns that it that you you do these augar columns, you need to ground them and that tightens up the ground and makes it makes it strong enough to, you know, support the building, building pad. We felt that because the ground improvement is so t. 14 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:04:29.810 --> 00:04:48.410 Tied to the building, the footprint, the loading, you know, alignment of columns, et cetera et cetera. We really couldn't have a, a second different structural engineer involved in specking the ground improvement and then doing the building with MBG. We, we felt as far as. 15 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:04:49.079 --> 00:05:08.959 Performance efficiency and the and the insight they need and information you need, they have to have the same structural engineer. So we have, so EM structural, that proposals for 30000 to do the plans and specs and contracting. There'll be two separate contracts with this ground improvement contract would be one of them. They would do the con. 16 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:05:09.039 --> 00:05:30.318 Contracting and then they would do construction administration, reviewing the submittals, in the bids and et cetera, and request for information et cetera. They would take care of all that related to the ground improvement. So that's the 1st one they would contract directly with Uniquarter Point Development Corporation. 17 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:05:31.289 --> 00:05:50.689 Professional services and undertake that work, that that design work relative to the ground improvement. And Bob looked at the procurement, requirements for, you know, unicarbon point development Corporation and and you know, you know, wrote the resolution around. 18 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:05:51.609 --> 00:05:55.289 Complying with complying with the, the procurement rules. 19 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:06:01.220 --> 00:06:08.141 Anybody got any questions Ben? I'll keep my second second. 20 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:06:11.082 --> 00:06:25.963 Okay, and then the Yep, 2nd contract, you know, normally we do this with, with EDR, with Lisa in the prime, but there was this design agreement really didn't include any planning or landscape architecture. 21 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:06:26.849 --> 00:06:43.609 Any of those components, it was all engineering, so Lisa suggested to keep this more efficient that Unicharma Point Development Corporation just contract directly with Ramble to to do these the other engineering services. The other engineering services include. 22 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:06:44.989 --> 00:07:00.909 Utility extensions to the new development, to the new development at where mvg's new building would be that's water, sewer, gas, electric, the designer, you know, required to make those extensions. And then we're also doing. 23 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:07:02.589 --> 00:07:22.269 Any, and with the dollars we have left over from that, we're doing and the ground improvement, we'll be doing some level of interior demolition or interior gutting of the 33 building with with the dollars we have available construction dollars. So this includes the again the design and specification of those components. 24 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:07:23.909 --> 00:07:52.189 We also have in there full construction oversight. So we'll have a construction spector oversee the whole project, both both contracts both the ground improvement and the utility work and the demolition will have a full time construction spector out there to make sure that all the work is done accordance with plants and specs. So that's what, what that what this contract is in front of you for, for ramble. 25 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:07:53.969 --> 00:07:57.689 And what's what's the projected cost for this. 26 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:07:58.228 --> 00:08:04.547 I think that one came to It was like one, was it, 189186? Yeah. 27 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:08:07.007 --> 00:08:07.206 Thank you. 28 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:08:08.191 --> 00:08:09.230 That includes. 29 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:08:09.772 --> 00:08:24.051 To doing this call for the next project too, by having this in on Rob's project would tie us to 17 building also, have to have the same oversight or is this just for that? 30 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:08:25.047 --> 00:08:31.208 Well, there's well right now we got NO we don't have we don't have any grant or anything addressing any work at the 17 building. 31 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:08:32.194 --> 00:08:32.355 Right. 32 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:08:32.774 --> 00:08:41.734 Yeah, so there's, you know, you know, I, all the work is in and around the 33 building and adjacent parcel, so. 33 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:08:42.437 --> 00:08:58.437 You understand that, but if somebody does we select somebody for the 17 are we gonna be tied to the same type of project with anybody to do that also or are we setting ourselves up to have to add a cost to the next project or not? 34 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:08:59.044 --> 00:09:14.683 I, I guess I know I'm not quite sure I understand. So if we get if we have to do it for whoever by 17. Yeah, I mean seven so if 17 building is bought. 35 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:09:15.299 --> 00:09:34.899 You know, if there's if there's an agreement, you know, to go forward for the development of 17 building, I'm not sure if there'll be, I mean we I don't know if we'll have any state monies to do any pre work. So this is kind of like we're, you know, doing some pre development activities that's, which actually lowers the developer cost. 36 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:09:35.139 --> 00:09:54.258 And gets them moving, you know, because we have soft soils, we've got, you know, we have contamination cleanup issues inside 33, so we're spending some state dollars to take the 1st step. 17. I don't know, we could, maybe we get some state dollars to do some work at 17, you know, ahead of a developer. 37 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:09:54.839 --> 00:10:12.958 And then we would do the same thing. I mean we you know that work would be done on undergarborapoint development contract with state monies and to do some pre work well before the developer comes in. But maybe 17 will skip that step. Maybe the developer will come in and take it from there. I'm not I'm not quite sure. 38 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:10:13.478 --> 00:10:25.638 So Paul Paul in other words, what you're really saying is, is that if we're setting a precedent, we're setting a precedent with grant funding, not the other way around, right? So, so so again because we're using grant funding. 39 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:10:28.058 --> 00:10:45.259 Okay so yeah I was trying to get out of we setting the precedent to Well we can't walk back, right? You know, we're doing it because we have grandfunding, right? So when it comes to this the team building, if we don't have grandfunding, I think that's that's a rational explanation for the developer, but hopefully we will have more. 40 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:10:45.676 --> 00:10:56.717 Funding to work yeah I I will, we will try for, we'll try for some monies for 17 building and what we would, you know, the, some of the things we've tried before with flood resiliency grant funding was that. 41 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:10:57.219 --> 00:11:14.418 Extend the utilities to, you know, there's a few utilities that could be extended and, two, to 17 building. There's NO gas. The electric conduits are there, but we have to pull electrical, the water conduits there, but we don't have, you know, water connection. So we would probably do some utility work. 42 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:11:14.939 --> 00:11:34.939 You know, we looked at maybe doing an ADA entrance, you know, and, and back deck to 17, you know, and, kind of in compliance with flood re regulations as well. So we, you know, we thought about getting the state grant to do those elements. We tried, we haven't gotten, you know, we were, we didn't get it, but. 43 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:11:34.939 --> 00:11:42.218 So we can try again. So anything we can can do if state wants to come can come in and help 17, we would do the same, same thing. 44 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:11:43.377 --> 00:11:57.978 Well I think I think, you know, we have to be a little bit proactive. I mean, you know, Vin's point is well taken. The the person who's expressed interests has suggested that there's been some preferential treatment. Right. Okay, I mean that's let's call. 45 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:11:58.059 --> 00:12:17.699 Space. So I I think our posture is that we would be willing on a proactive basis to seek the same type of assistance what relative to 1917 and if in fact, if in fact it's it's awarded, then it would be utilized in a comparable fashion, but it's it's grant related, not not not. 46 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:12:18.778 --> 00:12:38.018 Hardware point related in terms of the Them I wrong in seeing that person on the 33 building went out is getting the funding and grants on their own. These are different grants though. This is different. And then my other question is when we talk. 47 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:12:38.249 --> 00:13:05.889 Talk about other people that are interested now. They only can be interested in the 17 building, not the 33 building, correct? The 33 building is sold bought or whatever or NO? No, we don't have any agreement as of yet. That mean that really raises a good point. Are we are we are we putting the cart before the course with regards to I want to get into that. 48 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:13:05.979 --> 00:13:24.739 Six. Thank you appreciate that. Okay. Same thing. Hey Bob Murray do we have the proper wording in this resolution to cover us on on that issue of quote unquote preferential treatment so tied to the grand or should we modify the agreement to cover ourselves? 49 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:13:27.714 --> 00:13:35.594 So Can you guys hear me 1st of all? Yeah. Are we talking about the en M grant or the. 50 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:13:35.742 --> 00:13:38.502 The, well the the Dasney. 51 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:13:38.780 --> 00:13:41.220 The dancy monies that. 52 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:13:41.363 --> 00:13:49.083 That that relate both to the EN agreement and the ramble agreement is the Dasney funds, yeah. 53 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:13:50.662 --> 00:13:53.543 Yeah, I just want to make sure we're covered so this doesn't. 54 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:13:54.744 --> 00:14:22.544 Well, yeah. Well, I don't know about I don't know how you want to answer that, but I I'm just gonna say that the the grant, the dance didn't get grant came it was very specific to the scope of that area there. And of course, yeah, MVG lobby on behalf of you to Carbonpoint Development Corporation for those money as well but but you know that was very specific. The scope was very specific, but we would never. 55 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:14:23.139 --> 00:14:34.578 I again, we're gonna go after money's for a 17 building on the state state dollars, so I don't I don't from that point, I I don't see that there's a preferential treatment, you know, I I don't know, but but Bob I don't know if. 56 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:14:34.580 --> 00:14:43.340 Yeah, well, NO, I I don't think there's I I mean, there was a rec request for exp expression of interest. This corporation selected. 57 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:14:44.089 --> 00:14:58.608 MVG, we have a resolution authorizing the corporation data into a a letter of intent and we've been going back and forth on the letter intent, a letter of intent and fits and starts for a couple years now. 58 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:15.399 And we seem to have gotten really close now that the developer secured these da Dasney dollars. They were referenced in the most recent iteration of the letter of intent that still is not finalized. 59 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:15:17.768 --> 00:15:29.049 And while we've all been now focusing on securing these Dasney grant dollars in the work, I mean, I mean you know just just the odd thing is, is everything's been pinned on we're all. 60 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:15:35.865 --> 00:15:49.185 With that MVG. So I guess I mean this is a weird question, but suppose we started doing work and then the MVG contract fall apart, would we, what, what, what would, would we be and would we be in just. 61 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:15:50.578 --> 00:16:00.299 Maybe unusual because we spent grant dollars for infrastructure for someone else's project and the next developer if there ever was may not like that, would want to change it. 62 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:16:01.278 --> 00:16:23.959 I I I also know that MV I mean this is part of the LOI is MVG was trying to figure out how trying to pump on some of you right this is a, this is a grant that gets reimbursed after expenditures are made, so we were trying to figure out ways to creatively. 63 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:16:24.928 --> 00:16:54.649 Identity, you know, you use funds to prime the pump and spend those dollars and those receipts could then be used to get the grant reimbursed. So, so, so I guess I said a lot there, but is that just as a practical matter, is Paul is if if the MVG situation never got consummated, would we start this work before a letter of antenna's executed with MVG? 64 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:16:57.169 --> 00:17:15.049 Well, the only work we're doing is design at this point, but NO, I would, I would, you know, the, the I would say that you would never start, you would not absolutely not start construction until the letter of intent was you know. Yeah. 65 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:17:16.749 --> 00:17:37.110 Yeah I would think gentlemen that we should amend the the motion to suggest that this agreement resolution is subject to a letter of intent being executed with MVG. 66 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:17:41.270 --> 00:17:46.070 I, I think that makes, I mean I think that as a practical matter, I think that makes sense. 67 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:17:48.072 --> 00:17:48.351 Yep. 68 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:17:49.269 --> 00:17:56.028 Yeah, is that is that, can you add that whereas clause to the, how would you do that, Bob? 69 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:17:59.089 --> 00:18:19.089 Well, we leave it to about to figure it out, but I'd like to make a motion to to amend the resolution to reflect that this resolution is contingent upon the execution of a letter intent between the corporation and the MVG. I think before we do that, you should talk to the, talk to them and tell them what our plan is and have. 70 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:40.839 Give them a chance to come up with some before we amend it. But I think we should do that before we just amend it. They've been our partner, not our partner, but they've been part of this from the beginning. We gave that to them in 22. And before we just do something right now, I think we should call them and say, this is what we're gonna do, and at the next meeting. 71 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:18:41.812 --> 00:19:02.132 But all you're doing yeah but all you're doing is just you're not giving them any, there's all all this is just to make sure that we're not expanding funds ahead of that letter of intent. So it doesn't listen I don't I. 72 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:19:02.277 --> 00:19:09.277 I don't think it does anything to derail the situation. I think all's we're saying is we don't want to put the cart before the horse. Yeah. Yeah. 73 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:19:10.178 --> 00:19:27.659 So, and they know that they can't do anything until they have a executed letter. You just tell them and in our next meeting do it, now you gave them a warning and you did it and then we're gonna do it. That's all but by putting it in the resolution, they know it's approved and they know all they got to do is execute the letter of intent and we can. 74 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:19:27.669 --> 00:19:29.149 To move forward. 75 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:19:30.398 --> 00:19:42.197 They don't have to wait till the next meeting if they sign the letter, we're just saying it's subject to them giving us a letter I don't think that they would have any aversions to this. This is this is not backtracking on what we promised. 76 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:19:44.652 --> 00:19:45.452 I think they'd understand our. 77 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:19:45.961 --> 00:19:46.840 Yeah, totally. 78 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:19:46.822 --> 00:19:50.582 Yeah, they were totally reasonable. They under, they would have absolutely understand. Yeah. 79 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:19:54.771 --> 00:20:06.611 2022, but this whereas where it says whereas on 31 August 2022 by resolution to corporation approved the MVG project in the sale of the MVG parts of MVG. That by itself is in a form of intent. 80 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:20:09.237 --> 00:20:11.996 Well, it's an intention of the. 81 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:20:13.716 --> 00:20:29.156 I mean this is just awareness clause awareness clause has NO legally, has NO legal significance. And so it's they have to sign a letter of and so do we have to sign a letter of intent? And this is not my intent, but just legally speaking. 82 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:20:29.409 --> 00:20:49.489 If if if somebody came and blew our socks off with with a potential offer, we have the right to to to accept that offer. We have NO legally binding agreement with MVG as we sit here today. I'm not looking to to to circumvent MVG, but legally speaking, gotta have a lot of attention like having a, you agree verbally to buy a house, but there's NO contract. 83 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:20:49.868 --> 00:20:51.669 That verbal understanding of his meanings. 84 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:20:52.697 --> 00:21:11.857 Agreed and and do you if you look at section three of the resolution, does that I mean, we we can certainly be more specific, but section three is purposely drafted in a way where I think we could accomplish what the board's trying to accomplish here. The, it says the corporation and consultation with this general council is hereby authorized to negotiate. 85 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:21:11.989 --> 00:21:35.669 Team deliver a professional services agreement with EM relative to the project services to be performed and the manner described along with our scope additions as approved by the president. So we have not right this is just the authority to negotiate and execute an agreement. We could we we haven't reviewed the agreement yet, but we could, we could certainly put that concept into the agreement. 86 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:21:39.900 --> 00:22:08.580 Yeah, I, I I, you know, I I think that that whereas at section three is obviously between us and the M it has nothing to do with GMV or MVG I should say. I I really think if we should just have a short sweet clause that says contingent upon execution of a, of a letter of intent with between the corporation and MVG. Simple as that. How come, let me ask you this question. How come we never answer a letter of intent before? We haven't. 87 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:31.239 Kinda negotiate or even what do they say? They've been working with their attorney. Yes. George Mirad has been working with our council to come up with a final version. So that we're not catching them off guardio. This has been in the. No, absolutely. Perfect. You know what I think it's gonna expedite the process, yeah. I do too. 88 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:22:31.629 --> 00:22:52.868 And we're committed to it. We're saying, hey, we're gonna do it. It's right. And we don't have to wait for a next meeting. If they sign a letter, if we send we give them authorization to sign a letter of intent on our behalf, then we don't have to wait till the next meeting for for this work to start, right? Yeah. So we have this money to start we just waiting for their, their agreement and what if they just say? 89 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:22:53.339 --> 00:23:10.499 I don't want to do it anymore, but we've committed to two contracts that may not have anything to do with the project or the guy comes in and blows our socks up, so just one question Paul, is the ESD grant that was received or the dasdy grant, whatever the grant was that was received for this work. 90 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:23:11.159 --> 00:23:28.198 Is is this work geared specifically to to the plans being proposed by MVG or is this generalized scope of work that will assist us with with regards to the marketability of that billing regardless of who the prospective purchase. 91 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:23:29.029 --> 00:23:38.629 Yeah, the, the, the, the, the text that went along to the Desney with regard to scope of the grant was generically referred to developer. 92 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:23:39.029 --> 00:24:01.949 It didn't specifically revert to MVG. It refers to pad ready development, utility extensions, ground improvements in the area of this new development and this, you know, not adjacent to the 33 building and it and it then it addresses, you know, in some level of interior demolition in 33. But there's NO mention of, there's NO tie in with MVG. It's jit developer is mentioned in the scope generic. 93 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:24:02.645 --> 00:24:08.925 So if MVG goes away, this grant could be applied to any other prospe. 94 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:24:09.510 --> 00:24:17.711 As far as I read it, yeah. I mean, I know they helped lobby for it and everything else, but it doesn't, it doesn't tie to them, it ties to the unique Harbor Point Development Corporation. 95 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:24:18.835 --> 00:24:23.956 Assuming that developer wants to build an edition on the vacant lot next to the 1933 building. 96 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:24:25.652 --> 00:24:31.612 Yeah, I mean, right. It's it's it's specific to that area. 97 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:24:32.348 --> 00:24:47.308 I mean if a developer comes in and only wants to go, so the grant is within the confined confines of the 1933 building as it currently exists, a lot of this grant isn't necessary. You got two parcels, 1933 vacant lot. Correct. So the dasney grant applies to the vacant lot and not necessarily in the 19. 98 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:24:48.513 --> 00:25:08.154 Oh, it's right. It's written, it's. It it on the vacant lot it includes utility extensions and ground improvements on the vacant lot and 33 includes the cleanup, interior cleanup and you know interior gutting. So the scope references both. Bulk of the money is going towards the vacant lot. The bulk of the money. Exactly. Yes, correct. 99 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:25:08.829 --> 00:25:09.309 Yep. So. 100 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:25:13.490 --> 00:25:17.091 Improving it. So. 101 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:25:17.693 --> 00:25:35.732 What, so how would you Paul talks about it there, they're putting structures in the ground that will help support the pad for a future or foundation for future addition. I'm guessing. 102 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:25:36.291 --> 00:25:48.971 Yeah, the ground is super soft. It it without the ground improvement techniques, you could not build, you know, directly on that ground without, you know, deep foundations etc. So, yeah. 103 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:25:50.232 --> 00:26:08.392 So this might sound like a stupid question, but, but NO, that's stupid questions. Do we want to specify this to Mohawk valley gardens or should it be more generic than that if that's what I'm saying. You know, if they do walk away or something happens that we don't do it, you know. 104 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:26:08.689 --> 00:26:22.049 We're gonna have to come back and say ok it's not more like Valley Gardens anymore. It's, you know, Brian Thomas's company it's gonna do it. Now we gotta change all the wording or could this be more generic that it's any developer? 105 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:26:25.235 --> 00:26:42.275 Well, the, the the language with Dasney the scope that Dasney has is a generic for any developer really. I guess the tie into MVG is through you know through the letter of intent, you know, with, you know. So. 106 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:26:43.912 --> 00:27:10.392 In the con in the closet you just take out MVG and just say an acceptable letter of intent from from a perspective developer that that way you're, you're not taking sides, right? You're, you're just you're the the grand is specific to the land, not necessarily to the scope and the developer. We're not looking I'm just we're just saying in terms of how it's worded. 107 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:27:10.889 --> 00:27:35.088 We're not going to end the negotiations with MVG. We're just saying we shouldn't show preferential treatment in a, in a, in a resolution when the grant is to the corporation and not to the developer. When I think by keeping it general and keeping them out theoretically, you're, you're applying that you're gonna hold any developer to the same standard exactly letter. That's a good point. 108 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:27:35.995 --> 00:27:36.996 Would it makes. 109 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:27:37.159 --> 00:28:05.598 You're gonna be needed for the next development. The next development but it's available, so if the next developer comes in, I've already approved this. This grant is here and they're gonna start this work. They know about this already? Yeah, I mean Rob was here two meetings ago. But it was it was approved and he was working with it disbursement grant to. 110 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:28:09.075 --> 00:28:13.556 Where where where do we stand on on that agreement? Is, is a draft been submitted to anybody or. 111 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:28:14.154 --> 00:28:24.434 Consideration. All the paperwork went back to Dasney and were waiting for the final agreement to come back for sancture. 112 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:28:25.860 --> 00:28:47.219 So we're not changing anything here except making it more generic. So We're when you just got them saying they lobby for the grant, they're a big part of it. They've been part of us for 22, and I know it's nothing's technicality. In my mind, I would just like them face to face talk that this is what we're doing before we just do it. 113 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:28:47.609 --> 00:29:02.969 That's I got NO problem what you guys are saying, but we're talking out of both sides of our mouth I think a little bit. Yeah. 1 min we're saying they lobby for now we're gonna put it generic. I mean, you guys are a lot smarter than I am. I'm just sitting here on the outside looking in. 114 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:18.319 They've been since 22 with us when nobody else was involved. Right, they haven't done kind of like with Patel and them forever, they didn't close and they kept pushing it back to us. They're kind of doing the same thing. All I'm saying, I'd like to have us. 115 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:55.678 Without asking those kind of questions in open session. I make that motion. Oh, wait, before we do it just I mean are we You made a motion on the one resolution, are we taking it back before we do that because there was a motion for the 1st one with EM structural, so if we're updating it, do we need to. 116 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:29:56.239 --> 00:30:12.879 So we're gonna, ok. So, so I'll I'll make the motion to amend or to withdraw the previous motion, the previous motion that I made. Bobby you'll tell me how to word this remove the existing. 117 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:30:14.448 --> 00:30:29.448 Passage of that, of that motion. Right. So since I made the the motion I moved to resend. The motion to amend that too. But I think we gotta rescind before we make a motion. We gotta resend the 1st one, right? I make a motion to resend. 118 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:30:30.529 --> 00:30:49.569 Second. Bye. So and I'll make a motion to amend the proposed resolution to add an additional provision that says that this resolution is subject to the execution of a letter of intent. 119 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:30:50.208 --> 00:31:05.568 With A session 1st. You started to make one big motion go in executive session for purposes of negotiation, ok? We're going into the executive session today. 120 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:31:05.744 --> 00:31:07.543 Discuss the disposition of real problem. 121 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:31:08.201 --> 00:31:19.361 Correct. Yep. Yep. So could somebody tell us where we stand on on where we stand on the letter of intent? I have to stop the recording, right? Yes. 122 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:31:23.082 --> 00:31:25.921 Yeah, so a letter of intent, let me I can. 123 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:31:31.510 --> 00:31:49.389 Anything else I'll make a motion to favor the two resolutions in front of us. Second. All second. All favor, post, so moved. Anything that's important on these other things or is it just the same old, same old? 124 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:31:52.999 --> 00:32:11.519 Okay, I think Jones is sort of waiting for ESD Reimbursement Jack didn't have an update today. Okay, sd's working on it. Yeah. And Bob, so you and I are you gonna give me a time or a date that we could talk to Rob Ashton his attorney? 125 "Robert G. Murray" (2262330880) 00:32:13.135 --> 00:32:14.016 Yes, we'll do. 126 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:32:14.997 --> 00:32:20.597 Okay. If you need me, I'm open Friday afternoon and and back in town next week. 127 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:32:20.755 --> 00:32:22.835 Okay, yeah. Okay. Yeah. 128 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:32:24.676 --> 00:32:26.277 I'm back in town Friday too. Yeah. 129 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:32:28.410 --> 00:32:42.891 Oh, you made it on second. You have to make that. Thanks everybody. Good meeting. 130 "Romano" (1002523136) 00:32:43.138 --> 00:32:44.018 Yeah, thank you. 131 "jspaeth@cityofutica.com" (2926861824) 00:32:44.636 --> 00:32:50.996 Ryan, what's the combination that amount group seven? What does it do? 9977.